reddwarfslash | Fic: Knighty knight. PG.

"He taught Lister to play the skin flute, I'll bet my Reggie Williams CDs."

*laughs loudly* Ahhhh ... what a special line!

"Fuck me up the arse with a rabid porcupine, I did something right!"

Hee! *grins*

You've outdone yourself with this one, matey. Are you sure you aren't channeling Rimmer? Never mind that. I already know you are. I thought that was brilliant, mate. Bloody brilliant. =D

*blush* Thank ye! I don't know where the porcupine thing came from, but it seemed to fit...

Oh man! A story with bite! I'm so glad the Ace discussion was able to inspire you. Great fic!

Barq's. :D Danke for the feedback!

*whimpers*
Angst.... It just makes me sad.
I'd stop reading it if it wasn't so damn good.

Awww... ! Fear not, though - I hear Kahvi has some optimistic fics in the pipeline. :)

Thanks!

Oh, yes, great voice and I am totally buying this!
But I started to think: we had a long discussion on Lister getting rid of Rimmer. But turn it around - why aren't Rimmer just as happy to get out? He has been doing nothing but bad-mouthing his company for years, and now he has an advanced dimensional ship and freedom to go off where he like and find better company. I guess the obvious idea is that he is afraid of being Ace. Maybe. I think he is afraid of being alone.
In Rimmerworld he was devastated by the idea of being on his own so long. Ok, so it may get a little boring, but he is in no real danger and they will come for him. But even before he finds out exactly how long it will take he is clearly unhappy about being on his own for an extended time. You can write it down to cowardliness - company is safer. But I think it goes deeper than that, I think Rimmer craves company, probably due to deep fear of being abandoned. The more you think about, the more evidence there is for this through the series.
Of course he must have figured out what Lister did once he had time to think. How would Lister know about the knight at all unless he was it? Lister really puts him in a position where he has no choice. He has no valid excuses left for not to go, so he goes even if he hates the idea of being on his own.
So he takes the jump, he is on his own, and nobody can force him to do anything. I know it is a popular thing among writers to make the computer in the ship capable of forcing him, but I can not see anything in canon to suggest that. On the contrary, the computer tried to talk Ace out of doing things that were too dangerous.
So it is down to him what he would do. He has no interest in the Ace thing. He has an interest in being less a coward, more of a nice guy, but he can be that without doing the whole Ace thing. Rimmer may claim he wants the life of a hero, but in reality I think all he wants is a nice safe everyday existence with people who actually care about him personally.
My money is still on him finding a nice place to settle down, be a help to the community without risking his life every day, and occasionally sending a thought of regret as to why he could not have achieved this with the company he originally had.

why aren't Rimmer just as happy to get out?

Well, he's relationship with Lister may not be great, but it's probably as close to friendship as he ever got. And (apart for his cowardlinnes) he doesn't want to be Ace. He doesn't like they guy. He wants to be loved and respected like he is, without actually beeing him. Because he's a git.

I don't think it very likely that Rimmer would settle down anywhere, because though he has chaged alot, I don't think he can really be a part of a comunity. He doesn't really connect with people. All those years trying to establish a relationship with Lister that would allow them to co-exist peacefully, and now to start it all over again? Unlikely.

No, he is not good at connecting with people, but he craves their company. And I think now he might be willing to make compromises to get company now, unlike the Rimmer we saw in the beginning. I dont suggest is about to get married or something, only that he wants people around him.
If he had the choice, he would have stayed and worked on what he had. But Lister gave him no choice, he might have done it for all the best reasons, but he gave Rimmer no choice but to leave.

He may crave company, but his opinion of himself is as low as ever. It is possible that he will find new company if events unfold in such a way, but for him to initiate contact with new people... I don't think so.
But then I'm really looking from my prespective. I'm quite like Rimmer in that respect, I'm afraid.

An inferiority complex is an inferiority complex, and it would only be reinforced by knowing that Lister did more than his share to help Rimmer on his way, IMO. He grew in his time as a hologram, true, but getting to know people as well as he knew the 'Buggers is a lot of work and time, and I don't know if he'll buckle down to do that with anyone else. It won't help at all that he will be Ace, and that people will have this stereotypical, shallow reaction to him... which certainly didn't help previous Aces in the make-strong-friendship-bonds department ('turned down a handful of marriage proposals'). Actually, is Lister the only person any of the Aces really hooked up with, friendly-wise? Hm....

Oh, and thanks for the crit! ;)

Also - I just can't see the computer as anything but a litle sinister. She's seen millions, billions, however many Aces she's seen, and from what we see, she's just as "Oooh, Ace, I love you!" to the latest as she was to the first. That's pretty twisted, to my way of thinking, and I can't help thinking that she somehow needs the Aces to be one neverending Ace. That's where I get the idea that she prods them, to some extent, to be as Ace-y as possible,

Lister really puts him in a position where he has no choice.
No, he didn't, damn him. I wonder if he ever realizes what a horriffic thing to do that actually was. I think he does. I think that's part of his whole realization later, and his angsting in Blue. He knows he did something wrong.

Hello again; still no time to comment or concrit, which I should do more of - I just generally get so caught up in the story. Sorry about that. :/

I just stopped by to say that... Um... I might... You know... *cough* Write something to fit in with this, if that's OK.

Yes, please!

It's turning out really angsty. Eeep!

Yes, and you know how I hate teh anGsT! :)

And now this other story is nagging me to write it, and is half-way done. I think I shall have the first one link into "nagging-me-story".

Erm, although people might want to kill me when they read nagging-me-story. (It needs a better name. :P)

Ja, I would suggest a name, but I have no clue what the fic is about. Naggy angst? Nag? :)

Aww. It hurts, and yet it's good to see Rimmer-as-Ace happy...

I loved the OOT reference. For one of my least favorite episodes, it really did change Rimmer (and everyone else) a lot. Hm. Now I'm wondering which episode factored the most in Rimmer's growth. It's probably SMAC, but what else factored into making him capable to become Ace?

Well, pleased for a moment, fer sure. But when he comes running into the room - from the time Ace grabs his hand all of the way through the time Lister shoves the light bee in his face, Rimmer looks fecking shellshocked. The expression on his face as he looks at Lister is the most unreadable I've seen on him, but it is not a pleased one. I like to speculate on what he's thinking. The episode is just so thick.

I think that the biggest single factors (aside from just being forced to be with Lister, and being intangible for so long) are Rimmerworld and Out Of Time. Six hundred years is a long goddam time to take a good hard look at yourself and decide you don't like it. And seeing what your future self can become - I think that really taught him something. But it was the previous experiences that put him in a place where he could use it. He's a different man, in Tikka. In some ways, I prefer the ending they gave to the one that was originally shot - the one where they celebrate with recyc in the midsection. There, Rimmer is haughty and snooty. In Tikka, he seems almost - at peace. As if he finally understands that what he did mattered in terms of what it meant for him to do it. I think that's such a massive step for Rimmer. He's still a snide bastard, but he's so much more of a man than he was previously.

Hm. Yes. I agree. Rimmerworld was a giant mirror that he was forced to live with for years on end, and Out of Time was a mirror that could see into the future that also tried to kill them.

I've always liked Red Dwarf for actually letting him grow up like that. He could have easily been left static, but they put the effort into making him better. The only other character I can think of where they did that was MASH's Margaret Hoolihan.

Thanks for the insight!

Fic: Knighty knight. PG.

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