Intriguing, to say the least.

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

G & T's Set report for #3.


I am intrigued as to the nature of this episode. What could Red Dwarf have done that hasn't already been offensive to someone?

Discuss.

Comments

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

You beat me to it. *Lol* I'm dying of curiosity as well. There was an aside in the Ep 2 report about possible offensiveness too.

Here is my elaborate, slashy theory (since we know the ep features about 30 extras and location shooting): The crew somehow meet Alexander The Great (a hologram, wax-droid, whatever). He makes a pass at Rimmer, who recoils in horror and escapes. Back on the Dwarf, the incident brings his repressed feelings for Lister to the surface. :D (Inspired by Kahvi's "Alexander" fic.)

No, I'm not serious, but wouldn't it be fun? :)

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

OMG! That would be awesome. I was thinking on the slashy nature as well, due to the fact that it would be offensive to some.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Much though I'd love it to be something like that, Doug has so much invested in the Lister / Kochanski thing that I can't see it happening, sadly. And I'm not sure I'd want Rimmer to have a one-sided crush; it would just be too cruel.

Although they could possibly get round that by having a one-episode plot involving the sexual magnetism virus or something similar. Speculating is fun. :)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Nah, I doubt it. At this point, I don't think canon slash would be offensive to many viewers (certainly not to British viewers, I wouldn't think); also, the guy says it's something *no* sitcom has done (which, is a pretty narrow net, IMO - I think he's probably wrong), and remember, "Modern Family" is a top-rated U.S. sitcom and features a gay male couple with children.

(ETA: I'm betting it's something to do with religion or ethnicity. Another guess would be full-frontal, but I think THAT'S probably unlikely. But who knows?)

As for the male guest star - this is Doug, the guest star is important, so I'm going to pull from a previous prediction that it's Michael McGruder. There, I said it. LOL

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

As for the male guest star - this is Doug, the guest star is important, so I'm going to pull from a previous prediction that it's Michael McGruder. There, I said it. LOL

I want this to be true. I want this to be so true. They have said that the threads of the shows tie together. Maybe we will get our McGruder "Last Human" tie in. :)
That would be sweet.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

I wasn't thinking canon slash being seen as offensive per se; more that this guest character may be gay and the way he's played could be seen as offensive - predatory, camp etc. But really I'm just speculating; it's probably nothing like that.

They've tackled religion before of course, in "Waiting For God" most notably. I actually hope it doesn't concern ethnicity, because I've always loved RD's utter nonchalance about it. But maybe I should have faith in Doug's writing and the cast's acting.

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

I would DIE if they decided to do a full - frontal, After I wore out my dvd player!!

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

I would GAG if Barre or Charles (esp Craig!) did a f.f. !!

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

Serious Icon love!

And I love the idea of a homosexual repressed Rimmer! Althought, I would have thought it would have been Lister, but, either way, it works, right?

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

Serious Icon love!!

[derien.livejournal.com]

Your icon - what on earth does the pic with the very long caption say? I'm dying to understand it.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

It says: "Hello, Listy. Whatcha reading?" Lister: "Something called fanfiction. This one is about us."

Rimmer reads and reacts: "Wow. Is that physically possible?" Lister: "Let's find out.". ;)

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

@MattyMediaNewsMatthew Judge


@ellardent was still worth the 6 hour drive from Newcastle. Loved it! And who knew 'he' was a Geordie


I can't link to this properly, but it's from someone who saw last night's show. Personally, I think the mystery's solved.

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

And who knew 'he' was a Geordie

Is that offensive then?

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Sorry, too cryptic. What I mean is, God is often referred to as "He". I think they may have met God, played by a Geordie.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

http://t.co/u3SdaTGU Chris picture alert - in Robert's blog. ;)

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, I saw that. :) Lovely picture of the two of them. ;D

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

You see this one (http://llewblog.squarespace.com/picture/old%20dwarfers.jpg?pictureId=7593234) in the photos section?

[sunny-bexster.livejournal.com]

I'm baffled too. I remind myself that something offends someone somewhere. Red Dwarf has probably lost viewers in the past for some of their gags: robot tugging down a human's boxers? Jokes about male and female genitals? The kinda lazy sexist jokes that slipped their way in circa series 7?

I'm also intrigued by the conclusion that the ep was "weird". What else could Red Dwarf possibly do to earn the opinion of "weird". It's done going beyond what people expect, and even what people might never expect...so it being described as weird offers 2 explanations.

1) They do something so utterly mundane it jars with everything we associate with Red Dwarf, done partly with Back to the Earth, i.e th Boys using public transport and Rimmers want for a biscuit factory sitcom.

2) They've gone like crazy monkey mad with it, pushing the limits beyond...well..anything ever.

I intend to ponder this matter...*ponder* and eagerly await the airing.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I'm voting for "crazy monkey mad" with it. Lister meets God, is offered everything he wanted, but turns it down because he's the only one who'll get it - the others aren't made the same deal. (This is probably so wildly off as to be stupid, but hey.)

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

I'm sure everyone's already seen this pic on the official site, but just in case:

http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/news/2011/12/16/shooting-starts/shooting-starts-1l.jpg

Don't get excited, they're not in costume. ;)

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

I like that one. *sighs* They look so happy,

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Rimmer? A bit closted? Ridiculous. He had sex! With women! Twice!

Okay, maybe his lower self did go around in a corset and stockings, and threaten to "have" Lister. Maybe his higher self and Lister's higher self did spout declarations of love for each other. Maybe the man is a bit fixated on Alexander the Great, and men in uniform. Maybe, when encountering a parallel version of himself that had everything he ever wanted, Rimmer just assumed that version had to be gay and was going to sleep with Lister. Maybe he did spend years sleeping in the same room as the guy he claims he can't stand, and go running back to sleep with him, underneath him in the same room the moment he was unhappy sleeping next door. Maybe his subconcious did once trap him in a scenario where he was nearly naked, oiled, and tied to a post, and Lister had to charge in and rescue him, guns blazing, after which Lister had to save everyone by telling Rimmer how much he loved him.

But none of that means anything! He had sex with women, twice!

Okay, I'm finished chanelling Rimmer. You may now go about your business.



OMG. All credit to an anonymous poster in the comments for "Alexander". *Not worthy* *Rofl*

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I don't think "Alex" is nearly as faithful a fan as he seems to believe himself to be. He sure hasn't seen all the episodes, that much is clear, LOL.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Not an official pic, and they're not in costume, but still nice: http://t.co/RhLgvJM5