Intriguing, to say the least.

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

G & T's Set report for #3.


I am intrigued as to the nature of this episode. What could Red Dwarf have done that hasn't already been offensive to someone?

Discuss.

Comments

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

You beat me to it. *Lol* I'm dying of curiosity as well. There was an aside in the Ep 2 report about possible offensiveness too.

Here is my elaborate, slashy theory (since we know the ep features about 30 extras and location shooting): The crew somehow meet Alexander The Great (a hologram, wax-droid, whatever). He makes a pass at Rimmer, who recoils in horror and escapes. Back on the Dwarf, the incident brings his repressed feelings for Lister to the surface. :D (Inspired by Kahvi's "Alexander" fic.)

No, I'm not serious, but wouldn't it be fun? :)

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

OMG! That would be awesome. I was thinking on the slashy nature as well, due to the fact that it would be offensive to some.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Much though I'd love it to be something like that, Doug has so much invested in the Lister / Kochanski thing that I can't see it happening, sadly. And I'm not sure I'd want Rimmer to have a one-sided crush; it would just be too cruel.

Although they could possibly get round that by having a one-episode plot involving the sexual magnetism virus or something similar. Speculating is fun. :)

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

And I'm not sure I'd want Rimmer to have a one-sided crush; it would just be too cruel.
I'm afraid I have already been seeing that. To me it's been there since Future Echos. Why would Rimmer protest so damn much about Lister going back into stasis? Why would he complain so much in Stasis Leak about Lister wanting to stay with Kochanski. It's there already. Lister just doesn't see it.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Oh, I agree, except optimistic me hopes it's like Kronette's last fic - that Lister does return Rimmer's feelings but has yet to realise it. :)

I suppose what I mean is that I don't want it to be a canon, indisputable one-sided crush.

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

I suppose what I mean is that I don't want it to be a canon, indisputable one-sided crush.

I understand. Where as I'm sitting here wondering would Rimmer be able to handle anything but that? Could Rimmer handle Lister actually loving him back? It's just the angst monster in me rearing it's head and the irrational Hologram I have back here telling me he doesn't know if he could accept it. It's half way there we just need Lister to reciprocate and we got our OTP! (Come on Naylor, Just do it!)


Another idea I have for an offensive thing is maybe it takes the piss out of some of the shit going on out in the real world. Maybe he takes pot shots at the wars and economy.

Dude, I just got A FOLLOW from @roopeshparekh. WTF?

[kronette.livejournal.com]

Oh, eh! You want my stories manifest on screen? I need a "yes, please!" icon for that!

I'm all for the Alexander the Great scenario, and it would need a lot of extras, though wouldn't most be male? Or just a select few as personal consorts of Alexander? I don't see how showing Rimmer having a crush on Lister which isn't returned is any different from the smeg the writers put him through over the years. Look at Terrorform and Rimmerworld; he's treated terribly by the crew and his own clones. What's a bit of heartache on top of it?

I must hunt down this Alexander series :) Is it on AO3 and I missed it?

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Nah, I doubt it. At this point, I don't think canon slash would be offensive to many viewers (certainly not to British viewers, I wouldn't think); also, the guy says it's something *no* sitcom has done (which, is a pretty narrow net, IMO - I think he's probably wrong), and remember, "Modern Family" is a top-rated U.S. sitcom and features a gay male couple with children.

(ETA: I'm betting it's something to do with religion or ethnicity. Another guess would be full-frontal, but I think THAT'S probably unlikely. But who knows?)

As for the male guest star - this is Doug, the guest star is important, so I'm going to pull from a previous prediction that it's Michael McGruder. There, I said it. LOL

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

As for the male guest star - this is Doug, the guest star is important, so I'm going to pull from a previous prediction that it's Michael McGruder. There, I said it. LOL

I want this to be true. I want this to be so true. They have said that the threads of the shows tie together. Maybe we will get our McGruder "Last Human" tie in. :)
That would be sweet.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Incidentally, is your icon on this post from an actual photo, or is it 'shopped?

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

Actual photo.
*Fetches Link for you*

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

It must be the angle of his head leaning forward and down; I thought it was pasted on another body, for some reason. But it looks NICE. Lovely.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

I wasn't thinking canon slash being seen as offensive per se; more that this guest character may be gay and the way he's played could be seen as offensive - predatory, camp etc. But really I'm just speculating; it's probably nothing like that.

They've tackled religion before of course, in "Waiting For God" most notably. I actually hope it doesn't concern ethnicity, because I've always loved RD's utter nonchalance about it. But maybe I should have faith in Doug's writing and the cast's acting.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

To be fair, canon slash WOULD offend some people - I just don't know if it's the same people who'd watch Red Dwarf, here in the States, LOL. But I really do think it's related more to religion somehow - although I stand by my statement that I can't think of ANYTHING a sitcom hasn't yet done that could be done to offend people. That's sort of part of the nature of comedy, isn't it?

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Exactly. Think of something controversial and you can bet your boots it's been tackled somewhere. RD, Ab Fab, Little Britain... I'm sure it's been covered before, whatever it is.

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

I would DIE if they decided to do a full - frontal, After I wore out my dvd player!!

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

I would GAG if Barre or Charles (esp Craig!) did a f.f. !!

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

Serious Icon love!

And I love the idea of a homosexual repressed Rimmer! Althought, I would have thought it would have been Lister, but, either way, it works, right?

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

Serious Icon love!!

[derien.livejournal.com]

Your icon - what on earth does the pic with the very long caption say? I'm dying to understand it.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

It says: "Hello, Listy. Whatcha reading?" Lister: "Something called fanfiction. This one is about us."

Rimmer reads and reacts: "Wow. Is that physically possible?" Lister: "Let's find out.". ;)

[derien.livejournal.com]

No, silly, that's not the one attached to this comment. :) Or at least maybe it is for you, but on my side... Ah, I've figured it out, now - it says, "He did make a lot of confirmed heterosexuals interested." (And Lister says, "I would have shagged him.")

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Sorry. :O All credit for the icon goes to Spacemonkeyluvn. :)

[vejgeta9.livejournal.com]

*Stupid LJ
Serious Icon Love! *Points at janamlie's icon!

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Spacemonkeyluvn made it. :)