Intriguing, to say the least.

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

G & T's Set report for #3.


I am intrigued as to the nature of this episode. What could Red Dwarf have done that hasn't already been offensive to someone?

Discuss.

Comments

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Much though I'd love it to be something like that, Doug has so much invested in the Lister / Kochanski thing that I can't see it happening, sadly. And I'm not sure I'd want Rimmer to have a one-sided crush; it would just be too cruel.

Although they could possibly get round that by having a one-episode plot involving the sexual magnetism virus or something similar. Speculating is fun. :)

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

And I'm not sure I'd want Rimmer to have a one-sided crush; it would just be too cruel.
I'm afraid I have already been seeing that. To me it's been there since Future Echos. Why would Rimmer protest so damn much about Lister going back into stasis? Why would he complain so much in Stasis Leak about Lister wanting to stay with Kochanski. It's there already. Lister just doesn't see it.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Oh, I agree, except optimistic me hopes it's like Kronette's last fic - that Lister does return Rimmer's feelings but has yet to realise it. :)

I suppose what I mean is that I don't want it to be a canon, indisputable one-sided crush.

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

I suppose what I mean is that I don't want it to be a canon, indisputable one-sided crush.

I understand. Where as I'm sitting here wondering would Rimmer be able to handle anything but that? Could Rimmer handle Lister actually loving him back? It's just the angst monster in me rearing it's head and the irrational Hologram I have back here telling me he doesn't know if he could accept it. It's half way there we just need Lister to reciprocate and we got our OTP! (Come on Naylor, Just do it!)


Another idea I have for an offensive thing is maybe it takes the piss out of some of the shit going on out in the real world. Maybe he takes pot shots at the wars and economy.

Dude, I just got A FOLLOW from @roopeshparekh. WTF?

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

It could be about war, but of course that's nothing new for RD. I get the impression this is, although I may well be wrong.

Many people have said they weren't offended, though... *Scratches head*

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

Seb P over at the official forum said this: "Incidentally, I disagree with ReflexReaction. I think there's a hugely significant reason (one that's clear from the episode) why it shouldn't be taken as being as offensive as some people may make out. But, by the same token, the taking of offence is a personal thing, and you can't really tell other people what they should and shouldn't have a problem with.

However, as a pretty politically-correct person, I had no issue with it whatsoever."

This is what made me think. If he's a "PC" Chap and he wasn't offended by it what in the hell could it be? War? Slash? Disgusting bathroom humour?

[kronette.livejournal.com]

No, I don't think Rimmer could handle someone loving him. He's been burned by friendship with the guys and their handling of getting off of "Terrorform," you think he'd ever let himself open up to allow someone to love him?

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

you think he'd ever let himself open up to allow someone to love him?
No not at all.

I can see him eventually accepting that he is in love with Lister, but never accepting the fact that Lister is in love with him. He'd be terrified of it. He'd be terrified of the rejection. He's already had it once, he'd just fall apart and simply not accept it.

[kronette.livejournal.com]

Oh, eh! You want my stories manifest on screen? I need a "yes, please!" icon for that!

I'm all for the Alexander the Great scenario, and it would need a lot of extras, though wouldn't most be male? Or just a select few as personal consorts of Alexander? I don't see how showing Rimmer having a crush on Lister which isn't returned is any different from the smeg the writers put him through over the years. Look at Terrorform and Rimmerworld; he's treated terribly by the crew and his own clones. What's a bit of heartache on top of it?

I must hunt down this Alexander series :) Is it on AO3 and I missed it?

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

http://www.roadstergal.info/misc/alexander.htm

Here's the link to the first fic. :)

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

http://reddwarfslash.livejournal.com/199273.html

And here's the second. Be warned though, it contains dubiously consensual sex. It's definitely worth reading, though.

[kronette.livejournal.com]

Thank you! Just read and commented. I'd read the first before, but didn't know about the second.

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

I forgot about them. :-)