http://janamelie.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] janamelie.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] reddwarfslash2012-05-19 10:00 pm
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Rimmer And Yvonne McGruder

There's a thread on TOS about the morality of Rimmer sleeping with McGruder while she was suffering from concussion.  Personally I've always assumed that if she'd been discharged from the medibay then she was sufficiently "with it" to know what she was doing.  I also accepted the "Last Human" retcon which explains a lot more about what went on that night.  (Spoilers in the thread just in case anyone hasn't read it.)

But reading some of the points brought up in this thread makes me uncomfortable.  Wondering how others interpret it.

http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=B9128677-1999-AFED-B439706F293BF2EA

Sorry to bring up such an unsavoury topic, but it's something that clearly had a big impact on Rimmer and is referenced quite a lot in the series.
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[identity profile] felineranger.livejournal.com 2012-05-20 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know why, but in my head I always imagined that when the sex actually took place Rimmer thought Yvonne knew who he was, boasted about his conquest to Lister and was then subsequently humiliated when she later got his name wrong and it became apparent that she'd thought he was someone else all along. It would certainly explain more his slightly flippant and somewhat bitter remark of 'served her right for being concussed'.

[identity profile] kahvi.livejournal.com 2012-05-20 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
But she got the name wrong during sex, no? Because they didn't meet up later, so the "she kept calling you Norman" comment has to refer to mid-coitus.

[identity profile] felineranger.livejournal.com 2012-05-20 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
But how would Lister know in that case? I can't imagine Rimmer would have shared that information - not willingly at any rate-so she must have called him by the wrong name when someone else was around to hear it surely?

[identity profile] janamelie.livejournal.com 2012-05-20 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I also think that their initial meeting, prior to the sex, must have been public. Otherwise we'd have to assume that either Lister, Petersen or someone else actually had their ear to the door whilst the sex was taking place, or that Yvonne deliberately told someone afterwards.

Re the former, I can't see Lister being quite that cruel (Petersen, maybe). Re the latter, why would she?
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