reddwarfslash | Some Trojan notices + Rimmer's class background

I was rewatching Trojan the other night, and caught a few things I hadn't noticed before and that I don't think I've seen mentioned here. First off, when Rimmer's complaining about the lateral thinking questions, Lister asking him to lay a question on him seems like a genuine offer to help, at least until he hears about the moose and can't resist taking the smeg. Then, when Rimmer has the resentment attack, it's Lister (not, say, Kryten) who protests that they shouldn't draw on him. Okay. he caves to temptation, but still, he tried. Last, when Crawford fires on Lister, is it just me, or in the split second before Howard jumps in front of the blast, does Rimmer look terrified?

Oh a completely unrelated note, I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out Rimmer's class background. On the one hand, in the 1st series he complains about not having the right parents and the right nobby background, and about how someone like Todhunter would have been raised on gazpacho soup and champagne. On the other hand, in The Beginning, the Rimmers are apparently decended from princes (do I have that right? I can't check right now), and they're clearly well-off and have what seems to be a full-time gardener. I admit I'm not familiar with the nuances of the British class system, so I appreciate any clarification. I also wonder if the colonization of the solar system has any effect on this. Thoughts?

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Arghh still haven't seen Season X :(

at any rate, I think part of Rimmer's ranting also had to do with the fact that his parents were fucking awful human beings. Or perhaps because his father couldn't get into the Academy, the Rimmer sons wouldn't have the connections to get in.

Didn't I give you that link I found for eps?

yes, I've just haven't had the time. Thank you again :)

While I agree that Rimmer's parents were beyond awful, early on at least he seems to focus more on not getting opportunities because of their place on the social scale rather than their treatment of him. He even makes excuses for their behaviour to him (I'm thinking of the argument with his double in Me2 and the scene with Kryten from the beginning of Polymorph). It's strange, really, because he's all too willing to blame people and circumstances for holding him back for reasons that are completely ludicrous, but when it comes to his family, where the damage they did and the ways it does hold him back seem obvious to me at least, he doesn't lay a lot of blame.

As far as the Academy, it seems like the family had enough connections to get the older three boys in, just not Arnold (IIRC he says it's because of the money, but it seems just as likely that it was because they didn't care).

Actually, in the book I think it states he dropped out of the Academy because he wasn't doing well (don't remember if a reason was given, but I'm pretty sure he definitely attended) and decided to join a Corps crew as enlisted and try to work his way up as the alternate route.

You're probably right about the book. I remember him dropping out of a school in order to try to work his way up the ranks. I just didn't remember it being the Academy. I was going on the argument in Me2:

RIMMER #2: (Sneering) Oh, yes, when the going gets tough, the tough go
and have a little cry in the corner. You got a sponge for a backbone!
No wonder father hated you!
RIMMER: That's a lie! A lie, lie, lie, lie, lie!
RIMMER #2: Then why didn't he send you to the academy?
RIMMER: He couldn't afford it!
RIMMER #2: Oh! He sent all our brothers!
RIMMER: You're a filthy, smegging, lying, smegging liar!

This is a problem all fans have when trying to make sense of continuity in this series - not only does the show contradict itself, the books contradict the series. It depends whether you prefer the show's version or the book version regarding a lot of plot points. ;)

Some Trojan notices + Rimmer's class background

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