For those following the Introcast, here's the link to the latest episode, this time reviewing "Blue". They're not particularly keen. Not because of the kiss (which they rather liked), more because of Kryten's attitude to Kochanski and the plot inconsistencies. (Boy, did they pick the wrong show.) Their speculation about Kochanski's Lister has given me really scary thoughts about him getting memory implants in order to please her - how else would any version of Lister be that knowledgeable about and interested in opera? http://thereddwarfpodcast.podbean.com/2013/07/16/season-7-episode-5-blue/
Angela's really good at guessing about the episodes, isn't she?
I was really looking forward to their take on this one. This is where Kochanski's writing starts to grate on me as well - I really liked her neuroticism in the previous two episodes, but here's where the woman jokes really take over. I'm not sure if I agree with them on their interpretation of Lister's memories. I find it perfectly plausible that Rimmer and Lister might have hung out sometimes without the cat. Cats come and go as they please, and the Cat seems to initially be the same way. Plus there are mentions of them spending time together, seemingly socially, even before the accident - isn't there something about planet leave on Miranda. I also didn't find Kochanski's theory quite as farfetched as they do - I don't think Rimmer made any kind of conscious sacrifice of his happiness for Lister, but I think it can be argued that keeping Lister sane did require sacrifices, whether he realized he was making them or not.
The memory implants idea is very creepy. I can see it happening, too.
They make a good point in that this is not Rimmer, but their interpretations of Rimmer throughout, which I had not thought about before - it would explain the inconsistent uniform choice, if Lister is remembering him as he last saw him before he became Ace. The Rimmer Experience too, of course, ties in with such a theme, a cross between Rimmer's fantasy of himself and how Kryten saw him as the smee heeeee.
It occurred to me whilst listening to their theories about KK's dimension that the line between ficcers and "normal" fans is very thin. It's very easy to start theorising. ;)
I always beware of such as that, because when people are willing to admit that they write fanfic in their real name, they generally don't write the same kind of fanfic I do, and think the kind I write is weird - so I don't tend to tell them I do. :-D
Hmmm, good point. I hadn't thought of it like that. Still, I don't get the impression from their occasional references to slash that they hate it. They seem quite good-humoured about it. :)
There's a very funny gen fic about that planet leave incident mentioned in "Marooned". :) Agreed that in the early days Cat may well have missed some interaction between Lister and Rimmer. In the show he's always there because it makes sense to use all the actors in a story (and is fairer to Danny).
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I was really looking forward to their take on this one. This is where Kochanski's writing starts to grate on me as well - I really liked her neuroticism in the previous two episodes, but here's where the woman jokes really take over. I'm not sure if I agree with them on their interpretation of Lister's memories. I find it perfectly plausible that Rimmer and Lister might have hung out sometimes without the cat. Cats come and go as they please, and the Cat seems to initially be the same way. Plus there are mentions of them spending time together, seemingly socially, even before the accident - isn't there something about planet leave on Miranda. I also didn't find Kochanski's theory quite as farfetched as they do - I don't think Rimmer made any kind of conscious sacrifice of his happiness for Lister, but I think it can be argued that keeping Lister sane did require sacrifices, whether he realized he was making them or not.
The memory implants idea is very creepy. I can see it happening, too.
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There's a very funny gen fic about that planet leave incident mentioned in "Marooned". :) Agreed that in the early days Cat may well have missed some interaction between Lister and Rimmer. In the show he's always there because it makes sense to use all the actors in a story (and is fairer to Danny).