You know what annoys me about S8?

[kronette.livejournal.com]

Well, aside from "Krytie TV". It's the fact that Hollister had Rimmer enter the psychotropic testing without his knowledge. The other four had to sign consent forms, acknowledge that they understood what was going to happen to them and agreed to be placed in the AR environment. Rimmer was just told to lick an envelope that was posted to himself.

I know Rimmer represented himself at his trial, but it never should have come to that, or his entire case thrown out on the basis of entrapment. Nothing he said or did in the AR environment should have been allowed as evidence, which means that Hollister would have had to prove another way that Rimmer was using confidential files for his personal gain. And if Rimmer had a shred of self-preservation (and we know he has it in spades), he might have been able to keep it to himself or at least slide by without being overt. I don't know; that one part has always bugged me.

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[janamelie.livejournal.com]

There are many things which annoy me about Series 8 - the fact that almost every ep has dodgy jokes involving some kind of sexual assault for one. :(

But also the fluctuating IQ of our fave characters according to the demands of the plot, which ties into your point. WHY do the crew elect to represent themselves? And if they must, why doesn't Kochanski, who let's face it would have more credibility in the eyes of the court thanks to being an officer, take a more active role instead of leaving the talking to Cat of all people?

I think this is why Doug changed Hollister's character to an unscrupulous charlatan - to make it more believable that he would set Rimmer up like that. No explanation is given as to why he's so determined to imprison them. Unless he sees their superior knowledge of what happened regarding the nanobots as a threat to his own position as Captain?

[laurenthemself]

There are many things which annoy me about Series 8 - the fact that almost every ep has dodgy jokes involving some kind of sexual assault for one. :(

This is one of the major things for me, even setting aside other continuity and characterisation issues. I think it's partly why I'm one of the few people who admits to liking 8, and I always have to qualify it with a bazillion disclaimers.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

At least it's not as bad as "Buffy". I love that show, but reading meta has really opened my eyes to how problematic it is regarding consent. It's even spoilt "Once More, With Feeling" for me.

Oh well. We can still like problematic things.

And getting back to Kronette's original point, Rimmer does get an even worse deal than the others, but I suppose we're meant to see it as payback for his betrayal of the others. And possibly for his unscrupulous use of the sexual magnetism virus. *Ponders*

[bayliss.livejournal.com]

But all of the sexual magnetism stuff happens in the psychotropic testing, at least that's what i think. Once he licks the envelope and leaves the room I just assume he passes out and then is pulled into the AR suite with everyone else.


There are so many things wrong with 8 that, it's just not as fun to watch as The first 6, BTE, and X.

[janamelie.livejournal.com]

Sorry, I phrased that badly. I agree that Rimmer's use of the virus all happens in AR - what I suppose I meant was that he does plan to use it whilst not in AR with the express intention of having sex, which isn't great either.

I know Lister also tries it on Kochanski in AR, but it's presented as a spur of the moment thing and doesn't get very far. Not that I'm exonerating him either.

Oh hell, let's just blame Doug's writing. Although how he goes from showing Arlene's rapey attitude in "Parallel Universe" as wrong to - this, I'm not sure. :/

[kronette.livejournal.com]

That's another annoyance - it wasn't Hollister's place to punish Rimmer for his betrayal. And it was a lousy, cruddy, smeggy thing for Lister to pour the virus over Rimmer. I still don't get how he could say it was an accident to Rimmer's face, but we saw Lister when he was doing it and it saw it as a laugh. I dont' know how that can be funny.

The whole thing is just bad. Bad bad bad. I forgive S8 for one reason; naked Rimmer and Lister.

[kronette.livejournal.com]

I think this is why Doug changed Hollister's character to an unscrupulous charlatan - to make it more believable that he would set Rimmer up like that.

The Dennis the donut boy was a really stupid idea, anyway. Unless the JMC really is that stupid an entity, which is entirely possible. But...that clearly wasn't in his files, because Rimmer READ THEM ALREADY. He brought the muffin and the pile cream specifically because of what he'd found in the captain's files. There was nothing about his rise in ranks in there, clearly, because Rimmer would have tried to weasel a promotion out of the captain that way. No, nothing explains it. Not really, and not well.