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[beetle-breath.livejournal.com]

Hey, smegheads!

I've got a question regarding Lister's relationship with Kochanski. In the older seasons, Lister & Rimmer often go back and forth about her and it seems like Kochanski had no interest in Lister whatsoever.

But in the episode where the 'nu-Kochanski' is introduced, it's said that they were going out. Which is it? Is there any definitive answer, or were the writers just being forgetful/careless?

Another thing that I can't verify right now, but have a question on anyway. If my memory serves me correctly, in the episode Duct Soup, Kochanski says that her Dave was gay. Is this true, or am I just imaging things?

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[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Hrm, I don't remember a reference to them having dated in Stasis Leak, but I don't have II with me.

True dat. But then he stops pining for her (Camille doesn't turn into her, for one), and then kinda sorta pines for her again (he has her photo with him on Starbug in VI, and the Psirens take her form), then he forgets about her again until she comes aboard...

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

I am pretty sure that the writers said that already in season II they decided that he should have done more than lusting for her. At some point he talks about Kochancki breaking up with him, but maybe that was later, though I have a feeling that was II as well.
I think Camille can be easily explained - she didn't turn into a real person. If she did turn into a real person that knew the guy, the fantasy would be disturbed by whatever history he had with that woman and the sneaking knowledge that this was not really her. So Camille would take all the notions a person have of ideal beauty and companionship and turn that into an imaginary person.

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

she didn't turn into a real person

But she did turn into the Cat...

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

That is easy - there was nothing else to work on the Cats mind ;-)

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

It does make me think, though - you have a good point. Sure, the Cat thinks he's lovely, but if he saw himself, then there would be someone just as lovely as him in existance - and that just would not do! I'd think a pretty, vacuous woman who thinks he is far prettier than she would be more Camille-ish...

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

But the point of Camille is to conjure up a perfect companion, someone that you really want to be with not just in a sexual way, and the only person the Cat really wants to have around is himself.

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Mm, but I still think it would muck with his self-esteem to have someone as beautiful as himself around. In BTL in the book, he has bosomy Amazons to cater to his whims, and that struck me as a good Cat fantasy.

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

So Lister should have been seeing Kochancki or a nicer version of Rimmer ::G:: And Cat would not really want to have himself around. So what is Camille doing wrong? And why are they still all so happy with what they see?

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Hmm, I think I need to write a Camille-POV fic... maybe she was a lousy pleasure-GELF. :)

[eviltigerlily.livejournal.com]

Well, they would be happy with some companionship even if it wasn't the absolute perfect companion after all this time without any.
That Camille POV fic idea sounds interesting... What if she had it totally wrong?

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

Of course she got it wrong - Listers ideal partner would of course be the female version of Rimmer - and vice versa ::G:: She got them totally mixed up.

[eviltigerlily.livejournal.com]

A female version? Why?

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

Because he wants Rimmer, but his mind would probably not let him visualise anything but a women at this stage ;-) And ditto Rimmer with a female Lister.

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

'Twould be mahvelous if it took him a little time to realize that it was Rimmer. Heh. But now I want to write that Camille-fic! Hm.

[eviltigerlily.livejournal.com]

They changed that bit of continuity for the first novel, which came about after II. The earliest it's mentioned in the series is IV - DNA.