Back To Earth (Episode 3)

[tsukinobun.livejournal.com]

Behind the cut

Episode 3 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNRDwn_KrbA
Episode 3 part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkqaw2fJYUM
Episode 3 part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGEFIq4bFiU

(Personally, I'm still too upset to talk about it...
Listy has gotten me teary-eyed in these episodes, for sure...*sniff*)
 

Comments

[bobbybob87.livejournal.com]

I loved the last episode! Some of it reminded me of the novel Better Than Life, and I'm not sure if making it a despair squid (or joy squid) was really clever or really lazy. (you were right about that though!)
But it was funny. I was howling with laughter at Rimmer and the corner of the desk!
I do feel sad for Lister. Seems like whenever he gets a little taste of happiness it gets snatched away again. But at least they're real and they all survived. And Rimsy can look after Lister for us anyway...

Bring on season nine!

[tsukinobun.livejournal.com]

I agree, it was well done and funny.

I'm still depressed over poor Lister's plight, though. The guy just can't get a break. I mean...it sounds like he was close to falling apart once already. His optimism can't keep him going forever...can it?

I'll just have to write slash that fixes the problem, eh?

[bobbybob87.livejournal.com]

Absolutely, I think it's the only appropriate course of action.

Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

I had this bit of squeeage while watching them:

1) Rimmer remembers the polymorph.
2) He can touch.

Have we got series I-VII Rimsy back?

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[tsukinobun.livejournal.com]

abso-smeggin'-lutely.
i'm salutin' that one, kryten, it's gone right up my flagpole.

it's OUR Rimmer! he's back!

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

FANTASTIC :)

Now someone needs to write his return. Over and over again.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[bobbybob87.livejournal.com]

I noticed it was original Rimmer too!
I was watching it with the boyfriend when I suddenly realised it had to be, and I got all excited XD
I think he thinks I'm a bit mad. :)

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

It's all right. My grandfather thinks I'm mad just watching the show anyway.

I didn't realize it at first until I watched the clip for the second time. 'Wait a minute... nano!Rimmer never met the polymorph..'

Of course, maybe I should have guessed then when we saw him holding the car mag to read it.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[jameta4all.livejournal.com]

Ha, now I can point and laugh at all the people in R/L who kept telling me it was Season VIII Rimmer and that he had just died again.

But if it is old Rimmer, then surely his few years as Ace would have made him a little less of a git? Or perhaps something traumatic happened to him on his adventures. FANFIC TIME!!!

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

Well, if he *did* come back after Kochanski left/died, my theory is some of this might just be a continuation of his original mission to keep Lister sane.

How much change has the man endured in a relatively short period (got Dwarf back, got nano!Rimmer, presumably lost both, got Dwarf back again, lost Kris again..)? It'd be nice if *something* was the same..

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[tsukinobun.livejournal.com]

i've already got a plan, fear not.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[cran-apple.livejournal.com]

Oh thank you! This needed more Lister/Rimmer love (and Rimmer explaination).

I'm so glad there are fanfic writers.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[cosmic-celery.livejournal.com]

That just adds more levels of confusing. On one hand, yay, original Rimmer! On the other, I want to know what happened after series VIII and "only the good..." What about nano!Rimmer?

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[tsukinobun.livejournal.com]

I have a feeling he's either dead and gone without a chance at being a hologram...or captain of the ship in a mirror universe. know which i'd prefer...


oooh! or maybe he's the new ace, and old rimmer traded him when he came back! that'd actually be quite awesome...

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[cosmic-celery.livejournal.com]

All possibilities. The specials really raised more questions than they answered, didn't they? We definitely need a series 9.

I still feel bad for Rimmer getting told repeatedly that he's failed at keeping Lister happy. =(

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[tsukinobun.livejournal.com]

yes, katerina fails to understand, Rimmer's job is to keep him SANE, not happy.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[cosmic-celery.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

Although...the world was all created in their minds, yeah? So somebody was thinking up Katerina, insults to Rimmer and all. (Knowing him, probably Rimmer himself)

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

Knowing him, probably Rimmer himself.

That'd be my first guess, actually.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[cran-apple.livejournal.com]

there was a fic about this! i blasted don't remember where on the com it's posted, but i've read it several times as it is my favorite wrap-up of series 8.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

kahvi wrote it. It's "Death" pts 1 and 2. They're on her site as well as the comm.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[tawg.livejournal.com]

2) they did establish in the first episode that Red Dwarf can sustain two hard-light holograms; so being hard light is no longer dependent on first-Rimmer's specific light bee. So touching things isn't really omg!proof.
1) With the polymorph, were they referring to a third encounter with it? I can't remember the exact quote, sadly.

Given that BtE starts nine years after the end of season eight, there's plenty of time for VIII Rimmer to bind with Lister. That said, in re-watching part one Rimmer's lines about watching Lister's insides get smeared on the sonar, and "I was nearly there. That's close enough for me" made me wonder if it was the original Rimmer, come back after finding Ace a hard role to fill. Oh well, these debates are what fandom is for :)

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

So touching things isn't really omg!proof.

No, but at the same time the original Red Dwarf (and Cat's story about capturing his "little fishy" during/after the events of Back to Reality and then losing it seems to imply that's where they are..) never had hard light technology. Rimmer didn't become hard light until Legion tinkered with his bee, so...?

I'm not sure if it was sloppy or a bit of genius on Doug Naylor's part to not elaborate on these things -- look how many of us are talking about it. :)

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[tawg.livejournal.com]

Are they on the original Red Dwarf though? I mean, my VII recollections are vague, but I recall that the original Dwarf got turned into a moon, and then back again. And given the different sets for things like the captain's office, I don't think it's unfair to assume that the nanobots made some upgrades (Hollister even mentions this, I think, in the first episode of VIII). So, given that the nanobots upgraded the ship in a non-defined way, arguments about the capabilities of the original Red Dwarf are pretty flimsy things.

I think it was probably nice for him to not have to deal with fixing and addressing all the little quirks in cannon that needed to be/should have been resolved. Though I have no doubt they'll get brought up at Dimension Jump.

Re: Call me single-minded, but..

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

All certainly true, and yet his mention of the polymorph still bugs me -- because as far as we know at this point, they've only had two encounters with it, both back before Rimmer left to become Ace.

I think there's more than enough implication that it could be either one. We're all really speculating on what's *not being said* and I doubt Doug Naylor can be prodded to reveal more, unless a new series or film is commissioned. Maybe someone at DJ will ask Chris Barrie. I have a feeling he'd be more forthcoming.

[sophiaofwolven.livejournal.com]

Have to congratulate the specials. Any faults I've seen are just something I'd have liked to see, but can live with. E.G. seeing a real Skutter not a CGI one. I loved those guys. :)

This part topped it all though - it was so much like the old series with Rimmer being hurt purposfully and all the refrences to old shows. Series nine pleaseeeeee! *begs* It isn't past it's time, it's just starting again.

[dauphkantus.livejournal.com]

Smeg yeah! It's a new era with a new generation to entertain! LIKE CASSABLANCA IT NEEDS TO GO ON AND ON WAY PAST PART 349!!! =D

[melsmarsh.livejournal.com]

Oh I was tearing up too!

[sadera992.livejournal.com]

OMG! i didn't realise it was original rimmer!!! ahhh!!!

LOVED this so badly. Reminded me of the BTL book too. And the joy squid? I was kicking myself for not realising! i even said 'squids.. again?!?' and didn't make the connection!

loved the ending too! ahhh so awesome

[cassiopeia13.livejournal.com]

I admit I wasn't a huge fan. It was watchable and there were definitely funny bits, but the whole Listy being so dramatic and crying just didn't seem to fit his character... I mean, he cries over chick flick movies, but I couldn't see him crying over a girl... But I guess they did go back and make the novels as canon where Listy and Kochanski actually hooked up. Personally I'm not a fan of that idea, but whatever...

Plus, no one ever seems to remember that Kochanski had her OWN Dave. I mean, They NEVER touched on that again which was a huge plot hole in my opinion. She was supposed to be sooooo in love with the more sophisticated Dave who loved her (and had that smeggin hot outfit) and yet, season 8 rolls around and they completely forget that.

There were just a bunch of things that weren't explained which took away from the enjoyment of watching the special. I think maybe if Naylor wasn't trying to be so cryptic with the episodes, keeping everyone totally confused until the end, it would have been much better, but as it was, I thought it was too confusing with stuff all over the place to really enjoy it all. Plus, the added drama was just a snorefest. I much more like the carefree fun loving Lister over the angst ridden Kochanski pinning Lister. I mean Lister ALWAYS wanted Kochanski but it wasn't his main focus in life.. that was just boring to me

[jameta4all.livejournal.com]

I think the main problem is that it was Naylor working alone on this, and judging by 'The Last Human' he loves tormenting Lister and bringing emotions to the surface. Grant was definitely more into making odd plots and humour, as 'Backwards' showed. Together they were brilliant, apart their books were only so-so. Did Grant have any input on this latest installment at all?