RD audiobooks

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

(Here I come wearing out my welcome once again. Ah, well ...)

I bring up the audiobooks for Red Dwarf because that's sort of what got me back into this show, and into this fandom. My sister gave me her old Zune and on it she had bought and loaded "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers." At first I just listened to it during long drives because it passed the time and I remembered liking the show and the books; it was, of course, entertaining, and I completely ignored who was reading it until my sister mentioned it to me near the end of my first listening. ("Wow, Rimmer does voices?")

So I've listened to it a few times. She also managed to secure the other three books for me to upload to the Zune to listen to (although I think "Better Than Life" is abridged; it's the radio show Chris read, with all the sound effects done for him instead of him having to simulate his own vomit and disco music, LOL). I just finished BTL and have a couple of observations (if they've been made before here, forgive me; as I said, I'm a clueless n00b).

Right, then. If you haven't read or heard it, "Better Than Life" picks up with the guys all stuck in the video game from the end of "Infinity," all living their fantasies: The Cat is king of half-naked valkyries on an island, Kryten is his housekeeper and dishwasher, Lister is married to Kris in Bedford Falls, with twin sons and where every day is Christmas Eve, and Rimmer is the richest and most powerful man in the world. As on the show when BTL is introduced, however, Rimmer's brain eventually turns everything to shit for them all - which is actually fortunate, since it turns out they've been stuck in the game for a hella long time and NEED to want to escape.

Without going into great details, I'll just pretend people have actually listened to it (or read the book, at least), since that's easy and I'm lazy. IMO at least, BTL is like the saddest piece of unrequited slash romance you will ever listen to being professionally read. IMO, it is painfully clear that Rimmer has a thing for Lister a mile wide and ten miles long, almost on the scale of Lister's dream of finding Kochanski. Here's the bits I noticed:

1. Rimmer divorces his first wife in BTL, a sexy Brazilian model, because she's highstrung and adultering. She comes back in this one a changed woman - literally, having had a personality transplant. She has a sense of humor, has had some of her selfishness removed, and no longer cares about money - and he is hooked. (Who might that sound like a female version of? *G*)

2. When he crashes into Lister's town in the lorry, he actually apologizes and seems to feel bad for ruining his perfect life. (Which, for Rimmer is GAH.)

3. After Rimmer is forced to leave Starbug because Red Dwarf can't sustain his hologram on board there, and Lister crash-lands on an ice planet, Rimmer spends his time harassing Holly and the others to find a way for them to go rescue Lister, who he keeps pointing out is starving on that planet and waiting for them. I mean HARASSING. He brings it up constantly, even worrying while they're being sucked into a black hole.

4. When they slingshot out of the black hole and are safe again, Rimmer and the Cat go down to the ice planet and track down Lister - who has been there for 34 years because of time distortions, being a farmer, and is an old man. Rimmer just seems so happy to have found him, and crestfallen when he realizes how long it's been for Lister to be alone with the cockroaches. (He also refrains from saying anything contradictory when Lister goes on yet again about how he intends to find Kochanski, and notices the memorials he's put up to her: a photo the wall of his house, and a field planted in jasmine with the initials K.K. For Rimmer to shut up about something like this MUST be love.)

5. After Lister dies and they give him a space burial, there's a little line where Rimmer sadly murmurs "goodbye" to the coffin and then has to go inform Holly of Lister's death. Shortly after, Holly begins printing out instructions for how to revive Lister by going through the black hole and burying him on the Backwards planet and then picking him up 36 years later - this to me is the best part of the audiobook, because the description of how damn HAPPY the solution makes Rimmer, how it makes him laugh out of joy for the first time in forever, is quite sweet.

Yeah, I'm a girl. I can't help it. The entire BTL audiobook just has this great undercurrent of Rimmer's love of Lister, whether you choose to see it as slashy or brotherly.

Any of you who've listened to the audiobook/read the book - your thoughts on the Rimmer/Lister dynamic (present or just alluded to one-sided)? What about the other audiobooks?

Comments

[laurenthemself]

Rimmer's joy over Holly finding a way to bring Lister back is one of my favourite things ever in those books.

You are not a clueless n00b; bear in mind this comm started after the release of the majority of the source material, so there are quite probably things we've never discussed, and honestly? We can always stand to get a new perspective on everything anyway, because it keeps the community alive.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Now I'm listening to "Backwards," which has started out promising - you gotta love how Rimmer asks if Lister's showed up somewhere by describing him as that "short, ugly man with bad fashion sense and body odor that would knock you over," basically (aww, young love). (I also like how Rob Grant just makes minimal effort at trying to inflect the characters' voices when reading it. If I had written something like THAT, I'd introduce the book by saying, "You know what, I came up with it, and that's enough. Just enjoy the story, damn it." LOL)

(I've found that joining in the middle of something that's been going on a long time like a community or fandom is like going to someone's house with a gift of what you'd like to see on the walls, and how it's received. Some hostesses say "Oh, another 'Dogs Playing Poker?' Well ... put it in the bedroom down the hall, there's not one in there yet, and somebody will enjoy it," and others say, "Oh God, not those damn dogs again." So I cover myself both ways. :-D )

[missflibble.livejournal.com]

>(Here I come wearing out my welcome once again. Ah, well ...)

(In female Holly London twang) 'Argh, who woke 'er up?'.
Joking aside, your contributions are amazing (both fics and posts) why should you worry? Keep posting, I enjoy the read muchly.

>("Wow, Rimmer does voices?")

Back in the 80s, Chris's stand up was entirely based on impressions. I love watching 'Spitting Image' and pulling out Chris's impressions (again, I remember watching it when I was younger and never clicked it was him)

More on the point, I think the novels feel far darker than the TV show - I tend to write my fics more around that tone (with the odd joke simile thrown in if my terrible comedy-writing brain can dredge 'em up). The novels also leave much more for interpretation. You've pulled out some nice and interesting moments in BTL there.

> Rimmer's joy over Holly finding a way to bring Lister back is one of my favourite things ever in those books.

I concur. Even though it feels strangely un-Rimmer, for some reason, in that single moment, it's totally believable. Love it.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Thank you, dear!

I did see a couple of clips on YouTube of Chris's standup - one where he was doing the 007 auditions to Sean Connery, and another with voices I didn't entirely recognize but still realized were probably being done quite well; the crowd was certainly entertained. He was very animated (and, my God, NERVOUS; I wonder at what point he finally stopped twisting the microphone stand like he was drilling for oil, poor kid).

I'd say that moment felt sort of um-Rimmer too, except that we do see flashes of concern in the TV show for Lister when he's sick or upset about something. I think Rimmer is a mother hen of sorts, as weird as that may sound - I almost wonder sometimes if that's why he and Kryten don't get on so well, because they both see it as their job to look after Lister, just in different ways (i.e., stimulating - arguing, needling, etc. - versus serving).

[missflibble.livejournal.com]

> He was very animated (and, my God, NERVOUS; I wonder at what point he finally stopped twisting the microphone stand like he was drilling for oil, poor kid).

Oh god yes, poor guy! Man, he was 22 when he did that stand up *weeps*

> I think Rimmer is a mother hen of sorts, as weird as that may sound

Oh not at all - in fact I think that hits the nail on the head. Their relationship in the first two series is definitely the best.

I love that moment in Stasis Leak(?) when Rimmer says to Lister 'You're right, I don't like you. I don't like what you stand for. But for some strange reason... Oh I don't know, what's the point.' Beautifully done.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

22! Holy cats, what a baby-age. (Or maybe it just seems that way to someone who's 37, LOL. I vaguely remember 22.)

Yeah, it's entirely possible to love someone you don't like - or at least love someone you don't like yet. Because I do think he comes to like Lister over time; he definitely seeks his approval and seems to rely on their odd friendship by the time he takes over as Ace some time later.

[missflibble.livejournal.com]

> 22! Holy cats, what a baby-age. (Or maybe it just seems that way to someone who's 37, LOL. I vaguely remember 22.)

Heh. Well I'm 25 and that seems young to me - I'd be scared of doing something like that no matter how old/young I was!

> Yeah, it's entirely possible to love someone you don't like - or at least love someone you don't like yet. Because I do think he comes to like Lister over time; he definitely seeks his approval and seems to rely on their odd friendship by the time he takes over as Ace some time later.

Oh yes THIS. This makes me happy ^__^

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

I love that moment in Stasis Leak(?) when Rimmer says to Lister 'You're right, I don't like you. I don't like what you stand for. But for some strange reason... Oh I don't know, what's the point.' Beautifully done.

Oh that moment is so lovely. He says everything but "don't leave me" and Lister *still* doesn't quite get it.

[slinkhard.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think Rimmer takes it seriously when he thinks Lister's in real danger - he comes running in 'Future Echoes'.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Yes, and the Cat most definitely does not. (But, then, he's a cat. Mine only bother me for food when I'm sick, more or less. Or the few times they want to be stroked.)

ACK. I meant add, Rimmer seems very worried about Lister. I wonder if at that point it's anything more than concern for his own welfare, though - if Lister kicks it, there's a good chance he'd be turned off (and he definitely wouldn't have human companionship if he wasn't).

[slinkhard.livejournal.com]

Yeah, even if he was left on, he'd be alone - anything's better than your own company when you're Rimmer.

[daasgrrl.livejournal.com]

This entire post has gone over my head, since although I own BTL and therefore must have read it at some stage (and the Valkyries sound familiar), I have no memory of its plot whatsoever. But it sounds like I may have to reread it sometime.

But I was inspired to go in search of the standup, which was very sweet, so I appreciated the mention! (Even though, yes, the impersonations themselves were mostly lost on me *g*)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Oh, you have to go read it again. And report back what you found! :-)

[nice-girls-play.livejournal.com]

Ahhh, BTL.. so much love :) (and such a heteronormative ending... with someone who had no dialogue in the book...)

The one line in that book that really got to me was Rimmer/Trixie putting a hand "tenderly" on Lister's shoulder when he's telling him he's sorry, but it's okay because none of this is real.

"Infinity" has my other favourite moments: one, when Lister tells him that the fact that he wants to be adored is "cute," and when Lister and Rimmer are thinking about each other's fantasies in the game: Rimmer's upset because Lister's dream is so much more mature than his and Lister's sorry that he didn't indulge in quite the fantastic, imaginative elements of the game as Rimmer did.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

and such a heteronormative ending... with someone who had no dialogue in the book...

As Nat pointed out to me, though, the whole "Backwards" thing is a great way for Lister to have it both ways: a life with Kochanski, and another with Rimmer. *G*

Rimmer's upset because Lister's dream is so much more mature than his

I had forgotten about that in this post, but I remember thinking how interesting that was. Rimmer sees nothing wrong with his overall life (aside from wondering why his fantasy wife can't be faithful to him or even let him touch her) until Lister shows up and he thinks of how it must look to him. And what I like about Lister's POV is he's not really thinking bad things about Rimmer at all, as you say, he's sort of regretting that it didn't occur to him to come up with some of those elements.

[sadera992.livejournal.com]

can't say i noticed it being particularly slashy, but BTL is my favourite RD book. And it means i can't watch the ep BTL without being slightly dissappointed because its not as good as the book.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Slash is probably relative, since there are plenty of fans who see none in the series. I'm willing to agree with those who see the guys more as brothers, too (because TBH, Lister acts like a better brother to Rimmer than his own ever seemed to). *G*

I don't remember if I saw the similarly-named episodes or read the books first, because Grant and Naylor have packed so many of the same details into each. But I remember feeling much the same way about BTL on both counts.

[jameta4all.livejournal.com]

I sincerely love book-Rimmer because he seems so much more fleshed out (impressive for someone who's a hologram). In the series, unless you're an expert at reading between the lines like us lot, it's easy to survey him as an arrogant git. But there's a lot going on in his head. Youngest of much better brothers, spent half his life being bullied - the other half ignored. You're not going to grow up to be 100% right with that kind of history.

When I go back to my parents over the summer I'm going to re-read all the books and hopefully pour out some fic :D

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

unless you're an expert at reading between the lines like us lot

Are we really that good? Or do we just stare so much longer than other fans that we eventually figure it out? ;-)

But there's a lot going on in his head.

Boy, you aren't kidding. I wonder what he'd be like if he'd grown up being treated normally? And how much craziness would be there anyway because of genetics? (Weren't his brothers nutters eventually? Or am I remembering a book wrong?)

[jameta4all.livejournal.com]

"Are we really that good? Or do we just stare so much longer than other fans that we eventually figure it out? ;-)"

Maybe we don't read between the lines. Maybe we just colour them in with rainbows and glitter XD

[thickets.livejournal.com]

I'm rereading the books right now and was just thinking about this myself. I think an excellent example of it is during the incident with his hologrammatic double. Because you get to see inside Rimmer's head you know that he actually has sort of come to some realizations about himself by being exposed to his own behavior from the outside. He becomes much more self-aware and sort of ... vulnerable in the novels.

[jameta4all.livejournal.com]

Yes, I love that section. And it answers that eternal question - if you met yourself... would you... you know... with yourself... it wouldn't be gay... not really...

Aaaah, Rimmer. You slash yourself more than I do.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Pray, what incident is that? Are you referring to the first book with the second Rimmer (and if so, why was this not on the "abridged" audiobook)? Or does it come up in a later novelization?

[jameta4all.livejournal.com]

Yup, Rimmer says something along the lines of wanting to hug himself and then immediately backtracks on that thought in case his other self takes the show of affection the wrong way, or something like that. I think it's been mentioned before here.

Was that the first book? Whenever I read them I lock myself in a room with basic food and water and don't come out until I'm done, so all the stories sort of intertwine in my mind XD

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah! I do remember that! DUHHH. I've been listening to the other audiobooks and it's been a while since I popped in IWCD - and with all the stimuli I've forced into my brain over the past few weeks in these new fandoms, I clean forgot about it.

/headdesk

[dauphkantus.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHA I remembered this moment all too well (and up-played it so much in crack!logic with tsukinobun) and I can't help but snerk now.

(pst, go read it, it's back about 10? entries)

[slinkhard.livejournal.com]

You're not going to grow up to be 100% right with that kind of history.

I've been watching the DVD extras recently, never got around to viewing them all until now; and one of the deleted scenes that's a favourite is from 'Rimmerworld' where Kryten notes that all Rimmer's brothers went insane, destroyed the ships they were commanding, and killed the crews.
From that POV, of course, he's doing well/better in some ways by being the family failure, since apparently succeeding to attain the standards set by his parents was even more pressure than failing them.

[jameta4all.livejournal.com]

Coincidentally - Rimmer becomes Ace Rimmer by failing a year. Success born from failure. As Ace explains, failing can sometimes teach you try harder. I think it's just how Rimmer's life works. I quite like that philosophy.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Oh, nicely put!

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

That's the first I've heard of that. For Rimmer to never have mentioned it to Lister (because it's probably the sort of thing that would make Rimmer feel better to know), IMO, means either it happened after he died and he never bothered to look up his brothers' lives, or for some reason he doesn't mention it. (It could be the second, I guess, if he wanted to advance in his own career and hoped people would overlook or forget it. Because, seriously? If he HAD a chance in the first place of advancing on his own merit, would YOU want to be the C.O. who puts the fourth homicidal Rimmer in line? LOL)

[slinkhard.livejournal.com]

ROFL, well, I'm never really sure whether to count deleted scenes into personal canon or not. (And of course, canon shifts constantly with this show from episode to episode, never mind the cut stuff!)
But I like it, because Rimmer's family interests me. (I love the meta-level of the one we see - Frank? - being played by Barrie, since he blames them for getting all the looks, and just like Ace, they are him.)
There's all these different reasons floated about for why they succeed - iirc, the book said they'd had knowledge implanted in them but as the youngest, the money had run out by Arnold's turn. Oh, and there was the idea that he was the only one who wasn't Uncle Frank's.
But this is the only suggestion that with those parents, the upbringing would be hell whether you were the black sheep or the favourite.

I think it's implied he knew in this scene - he's talking about how he's competitive and in his family, there were four boys but three breakfasts, so 'losers didn't eat'.
Kryten says 'Are you sure this is your childhood you're remembering, sir? Not Charles Manson, the early years?' or something similiar. (LOL!)
Rimmer says that you can't argue with his parent's technique, 3 out of 4 being successful being good odds.
Then Kryten says 'But isn't it true that all your brothers (went crazy etc.)?' and Rimmer just says 'That's a bit personal, Kryten!'

But yeah, I wonder if it's something that he wouldn't really want to dwell on, because it takes away from his excuses for himself. They're part of that as well as his parents - I had a tough childhood, my brothers had all the luck. If they didn't, then he has to examine himself instead of blame them, which obviously he wouldn't wanna do.
And also, if they're doomed not to be able to handle success because of these upbringings, then so is he.
Plus, he might still see them as successes. Sure, they went psychotic, but they got the badge first!

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I tend to take deleted scenes as part of canon unless they directly contradict a replacement scene that was in the show. (It's just entertainment; we can do what we want. *G*)

I didn't even think about Rimmer not being fully related to his brothers. DUHHHH. *smacks forehead* You think, then, that he's the only one who is his father's son, and maybe that's the reason his mother dislikes him? (Too, maybe Dad knows all this and that's why HE dislikes him - there's a feeling of "you mean the three dynamos aren't mine, but THIS one IS?")

then he has to examine himself instead of blame them, which obviously he wouldn't wanna do

Another good point. I notice in "Backwards" he doesn't cheer up around Ace until he figures out something he could get him in trouble for (colliding with Starbug). And he is amazed when Ace takes the blame and concentrates on solving the problem rather than dwelling on it.

Plus, he might still see them as successes. Sure, they went psychotic, but they got the badge first!

And HERE is where I hope his time with Lister lands some sort of effect, that he realizes there are different definitions of failure and success. Because DAMN. (Then again, if he only shares half his brothers' DNA, maybe he didn't get the psychotic part.)

[slinkhard.livejournal.com]

Too, maybe Dad knows all this and that's why HE dislikes him - there's a feeling of "you mean the three dynamos aren't mine, but THIS one IS?"

Oh yeah. And if there's self-loathing 'inherited' from anyone, it'd be Dad - he's the one who didn't make the Space Corps, yeah?

Backwards is such a weird book. It really makes you wonder what each writer brought to the show.
One of the things that stuck out for me is that in the show, I always assumed part of what Ace learnt to 'fight back' against was the whole parental expectations thing (I don't know why I assumed this, when really, he's doing exactly what his older brother did - test pilot. I guess because in his reality, his mum arguing with his teacher for him didn't work, so it would seem like he'd have to stand on his own) but in the book, he does seem to have a healthier relationship with them.
It's sort of sad in a way. There's this sense you have to earn love, and he succeeds, but he's almost playing his parent's game more than Normal!Rimmer, who at least has made some small attempt/s at breaking away from that.

Like, Lister as Spanners succeeds, but it doesn't really feel like he earnt it independently - I think it's noted how he had a different bunk-mate who got him and KK back together and helped him study; and how he enrolled in his exams so he could win back Kochanski.
It's almost like to be loved and have success professionally, they have to basically give themselves over to other people's wills.
(Same as in the S7 alternative crew, where Hologram!Lister seems to have basically totally taken on Kochanski's interests and personality.)

Whereas The Last Human has its faults, but you get the sense the characters are appreciating each other as they are.

I hope his time with Lister lands some sort of effect, that he realizes there are different definitions of failure and success.

Totally. Again on the book thing, there was some line in the Me2 part where the new Rimmer says how Lister's already changed Old!Rimmer, how he would have never even apologised when he was alive.
(I also loved the dvd deleted scenes from that ep in S1, where Lister's trying to get the Cat to live with him; really shows how he hates to be alone as much as Rimmer, and how he does rely on the interactions they have.)
And I think he definitely learns to appreciate the more important things from that example - like that episode where he's saying Lister has all this faults, but people like him. He understands why they do, he does himself although grudgingly, even if he can't/won't be that way himself.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

It's a wonder I get any work done sitting around reading your meta. :-P

Backwards is such a weird book. It really makes you wonder what each writer brought to the show.

And it seems to carry over to fanfic, doesn't it? There are a fair number of gestalt writing teams I've noticed around here at least, so far, and I sort of wonder if this is common to all fandoms or if some have a higher incidence of it. Certainly RD would lend itself to the notion. (Not that most shows and movies AREN'T written by more than one person, but a lot of times there's only one person credited: Joss Whedon. J.J. Abrams. Chris Carter. Eric Kripke.

Now I'm wondering: Where the heck are all the female creators in sci-fi? I need to write a show!)

There's this sense you have to earn love, and he succeeds, but he's almost playing his parent's game more than Normal!Rimmer, who at least has made some small attempt/s at breaking away from that.

For me, each version of Rimmer has his own appeal. Ace is conventionally heroic (but I think also genuinely heroic, as well) and socially dominant, but there is a sense that he's thrived within an established system - the same system Rimmer keeps failing within. It's all about attitude. Whereas, Rimmer's one screwed-up puppy, but he does show sparks of Ace-like traits. After all, divorcing your parents can't be easy to initiate or do; neither can sticking with something you're clearly not good at for fifteen years (which requires a certain stubbornness). Nat, my friend who's been in this fandom a lot longer than I have, said if you watch "Bodyswap" when Rimmer is piloting away from the Dwarf (via Lister's body), he's actually a very good pilot and only crashes because he takes his eyes off the screen. So yeah - he has an Ace somewhere down there inside him. *G*

I think it's noted how he had a different bunk-mate who got him and KK back together and helped him study; and how he enrolled in his exams so he could win back Kochanski.

Yeah, that's in "Backwards." It's almost told like "well, RIMMER certainly wasn't going to do this for him." Whereas, I sort of thought "maybe Rimmer thinks Lister is an adult who should be managing his own life if he wants something badly enough," LOL. Sure, there's a certain amount of help a friend ought to give another friend, but they also should know when to back off (or not even start in the first place). I think this is how the writers balanced each other out once upon a time. It'll be interesting to see what happens if there's a new series and Naylor is the only one in charge of storylines.

like that episode where he's saying Lister has all this faults, but people like him

The triple fried egg chili chutney sandwich of "Thanks for the Memory." I love that scene; it's one of the few times you see Rimmer actively appreciating anything about Lister, and Lister being nice to him. That dynamic wouldn't work most of the time for them, but I enjoy it when it presents itself.

[slinkhard.livejournal.com]

LOL, I love meta. I'm not much a writer, and I can't make icons to save my life, but I never get sick of discussing stuff.

So yeah - he has an Ace somewhere down there inside him.

For sure, and vice versa - I like how Ace, while overcoming a lot of Rimmer's hang-ups that hold him back, isn't necessarily perfect - he meets them screwing up in Dimension Jump. He just deals with mistakes by going 'How can I fix this?' where Rimmer obsesses and apportions blame, which just draws more attention.

I sort of thought "maybe Rimmer thinks Lister is an adult who should be managing his own life if he wants something badly enough," LOL.

ROFL, well, really! I think there's some funny line (well, I presume it's meant to be cheesy and funny, since it was) where this guy's sat down KK and Lister and explained to them about relationships and how passion burns out.
Like, jesus, have fun rearing two grown adults and handholding them into raising a family, there.
If the only thing between them breaking up forever and being blissfully married is that they need this random dude to tell them what to do at every step, maybe they just weren't that suited in the first place.
(I always liked the early canon of Kochanski and Lister never having dated, anyway. It's more romantic to have this lost opportunity than 'They had sex a bunch, then she dumped him for her ex.')

I love that scene; it's one of the few times you see Rimmer actively appreciating anything about Lister, and Lister being nice to him.

Yeah, it's one of my favourite episodes of that season (second only to Parallel Universe), really sweet.
I like ones where you can see where both characters are coming from in a conflict (heh, although also there's quite a few episodes where one in particular is screwing up, and you're cringing to watch them - Rimmer in 'Rimmerworld' when he's sneaking away, or Lister in 'Marooned' when he saves his guitar) and that one's really well put together.
I love how Lister gets this new view on his own memory (like how he puts it - Rimmer saw her in a way that Lister never really did, and how Rimmer's instantly recognises he 'treated her really badly' where Lister made excuses at first), whereas Rimmer sees where Lister's coming from for once, too.

[fearcat.livejournal.com]

I've got both of them plus the audiobook 'Last Human' and because it’s only on type I I've had to buy a walkman so I can sit and relisten to them hehe.

I’ve been wanting to know if they will they be releasing 'Last Human' on iTunes or on CD anytime soon???

Yes Rimmer is my all time fav character out of RD, as I was growing up watching RD as a kid. I looked up to Rimmer as someone I wanted to be like, yes I know that making me sound as insane as some crazy mindless person working down at the co-op but OMG I just love him.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Did you want The Last Human (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8XGWWDJ2) downloadable in digital, maybe? (It's how I uploaded it to my Zune.)

When I was 14, I wanted to be Marty McFly. Or possibly Doc Brown, but with better hair.

[fearcat.livejournal.com]

lololol I've just downloaded Last Human yayyayayay!!!

[lurkerlynne.livejournal.com]

Thankyoukindly! I've got the other three but couldn't find this one.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Enjoy!

late, but i was rereading recently

[slinkhard.livejournal.com]

There's a nice bit in, I think it's The Last Human although I've got a poor memory for the books, when there's a GELF who's designed to please whichever master owns them (heh, the books sexual politics are a little more advanced than the show, too, always a plus. I think even Rimmer learns from his misogyny, and Lister's more right-on than say, S8, when they're watching the girls being spied on.) and transforms into Kochanski wearing a g-string. He says don't, I won't be able to concentrate, so it transforms into her dressed. He tells it that he loves her but they're apart (and iirc, she was with someone else?) to which it transforms into Rimmer and he says 'I can't focus if you're him, either.' LOL.

Oh, and one of the Better Than Life parts (I'm guessing it was probably in the BTL book, heh.) when they're still in the game and Kryten comes in saying three people survived the accident: Rimmer, Petersen and Kochanski; to which Lister knows it's still his fantasy.

Re: late, but i was rereading recently

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

As I said, I thought BTL was the slashiest thing (I haven't made it to Last Human yet, though). I think someone posted a "Last Human" entry to this community just yesterday, in fact ... anyway, yes, as I was listening to BTL and it got to the part where Kryten is reporting three people still in stasis, I was thinking Hmm - Kochanski and Peterson, but Chen or Selby then?. I literally said "awwww" out loud when I heard the real roster.

/headdesk. I'm such a girl.

to which it transforms into Rimmer and he says 'I can't focus if you're him, either.'

I haven't seen a canon so rife with bi and OT3 vibes among the leads since "Pirates of the Caribbean," LOL ...

[dauphkantus.livejournal.com]

Alright, I need to reread/listen pronto.

Anyone in need of a gestalt-partner/beta-reader/plotbunny-breeder?

I'll be loading up my RD-series-RAM file in the meanwhile (and ewe know that's a horn-ful of RD recall! 8D).