Just a PSA

[laurenthemself]

Trying to write Lister/Rimmer when Rimmer is still in Trixie LaBouche's body is oddly disconcerting.

Just thought I'd share that little factoid with everyone.

*shakes head* the phrase 'his breasts' is just not right!

Edited to add: I have finished writing the fic in question, so if people want to read it, it's here.

Comments

[8abbott-of-odd0.livejournal.com]

I thought I was going to be the first person to write that XD! Oh God, this I gotta read.

[laurenthemself]

Homing. I just finished it and put it up not long ago.

You write it too! I want to see how other people write it!

[8abbott-of-odd0.livejournal.com]

Slashy-het (Hetty-slash? o.O) is fun :D As are racy gingerbread cookies *applauds* And femslashy moments are good for the soul...mmmmm, Parallel Universe...

I hope I do get around to actually finishing a fanfic one day. I tried to respond to that challenge set by roadstergirl, I wrote 2 paragraphs and got a strange urge to listen to emo music, and never got back to it.

[laurenthemself]

I have no idea what to call it. I guess it's still technically slash, since I'm quite sure they would both consider themselves to be male regardless of the shape of their bodies.

There is a pressing shortage of femmeslash in RD fandom, for obvious reasons. I try not to write too many Mary Sues, but sometimes it's necessary just so that the fandom doesn't collapse under the weight of its own testosterone.

I hope you get around to finishing a fanfic someday too! It's always good to see people who are interested in writing. Maybe you can do something more with those two paragraphs?

[8abbott-of-odd0.livejournal.com]

XD At least as far as guys go their not immensely macho, in fact I think their female selves were more masculine they are :P

Maybe...perhaps I should start with drabbles and get back it at a later stage. I always get panicky about whether things are in character.

[laurenthemself]

They're not macho, but they're not feminine either. I think their female selves appeared pretty masculine just because they were female versions of them but not feminised versions of them, if that makes any sense.

Drabbles are always a good starting point.

[8abbott-of-odd0.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they were basically just their personalities in female bodies, although Arlene seemed especially forward, perhaps she was just really horny.

[laurenthemself]

Maybe that was the female ability to express emotions better than men do showing itself? (Terrible stereotyping, I know, but Red Dwarf always has been a show that stereotypes.)

[8abbott-of-odd0.livejournal.com]

The females of the parallel universe were meant to be pretty much exactly like males of our universe; although their universe wasn't completely parrallel in all aspects, they had a male dog instead of a male cat and Hilly didn't invent a Ho- I mean Hilly-Hop Drive at the same time as Holly did. The two universes would have become even less parrallel after Lister had the twins. (Red Dwarf does tend to stereotype with the female characters, but they tend to play symbolic roles most of the time, I've always thought the male characters were quite unique)

[laurenthemself]

It's always been a bit ambiguous with universes and dimensions and the differences though: I mean, Naylor talked about six universes in Last Human, but that doesn't jibe with the canon of the TV shows, because of all the Aces. I suspect that the female 'universe' wasn't quite totally parallel, although Not-Quite-Parallel Universe would've been a mouthful as an episode title.

It irritates me that Kochanski, a female officer in what's quite clearly 'the boys' club' world of officerhood in the Space Corps, is still portrayed as quite shallow at times. I feel that to get where she has in the clearly sexist hierarchy, she should be quite a bit tougher than she often appears. On the other hand, I suppose being stuck on Starbug with 'our' crew and then being thrown into the Brig would break down anyone's toughness, really.

[8abbott-of-odd0.livejournal.com]

Yes, Red Dwarf canon is quite muddled. Perhaps dimensions and univeres are different, maybe there are 6 universes and each universe has an infinite number of dimensions sprouting from them.

In the Red Dwarf Omnibus Captain Hollister is changed to a woman, so it's difficult to decide exactly how gender equality works in the Red Dwarf universe. Maybe each colony has different standards, I'd imagine Io would of been very traditionalist, which would explain the Rimmer family attitudes.

[laurenthemself]

That's what I thought! I thought maybe there was 'our' universe, and then the backwards one, and then four others, each with infinite dimensions within them. Now, which fic did I espouse that theory in? ... Can't remember. But it's good to know I'm not the only one who's put a lot of thought into that.

I wonder whether that change in the Omnibus was after complaints about the complete gender imbalance in the show? I get the strong feeling that there's still a lot of sexism, probably stronger on some colonies than others. Io seems to be stuck in the past (and by that I mean our past, not just the past of the RD timeline).

Eh. I guess we just deal with it by writing more Mary Sues :-D

[8abbott-of-odd0.livejournal.com]

:D I like to think about those cryptic remarks in Back to Reality best, the part about Lister being God is complimented by Holly's comment in Better Than Life, so perhaps there are other elements of truth in the video game storyline.

I get the feeling that Red Dwarf, in some aspects, is very much a mirror of how Rob Grant and Doug Naylor see the world. They're both English and the show has a distinctly English vibe which goes beyound the fact that most of the characters have English accents, and they're both male so female characters are written as seen through male eyes.

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

I think I love you. And I haven't read it yet!

[laurenthemself]

Your icon just made me giggle madly.

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

'Tis the work of the amazing spacemonkeyluvn!

[laurenthemself]

That somehow doesn't surprise me.

[cheezdanish.livejournal.com]

HAH!

I was writing the phrase "his breasts" waaaay back in 2003, luv. Body Swap, the eternally unfinished fic, remember?

[laurenthemself]

I do remember, actually. In fact, it probably subconsciously prompted me to write this one.

You may rest assured that Body Swap does not get forgotten easily, grasshopper.

[cheezdanish.livejournal.com]

I really should fucking finish that story already.

The problem is that since I'm RPing Hips now, she's changed dramatically from her debut in Parole. Like, she's almost a completely different character, now. So going back and writing her as she was in Body Swap would be very, very hard for me to wrap my head around. :/

But at least now I know what she looks like. I have pretty, pretty icons for her. :D

[laurenthemself]

Well, what if you reread Parole and Body Swap straight through to get you back in the right frame of mind, and didn't RP in the interim? Hopefully it wouldn't take you too long, and then you could whip up some sort of conclusion. I reread BSTT last night and it's pretty close to being wrapped up anyway, IIRC.

[cheezdanish.livejournal.com]

...Don't RP?

I'm sorry, I don't speak your crazy moon language. :O

It is so close to completion. But I go back and re-read it and it's, like, oh god I could do SO MUCH BETTER NOW. I'm sorely, sorely, SORELY tempted to just yank both Parole and BSTT and re-write both from beginning to end.

[laurenthemself]

Okay, fine, don't even give up RPing for half a week to satisfy my need for the end to BSTT.

For the luvva gawd, don't go back and rewrite them. I think they're great! I just need an ending for BSTT and I can die happy, that's all, honest.

[cheezdanish.livejournal.com]

Half a week in that game is, like, a fuckin' ETERNITY, yo. ;)

But, no, seriously. Hips has more depth now. The Suey McSuerson label has been torn out of her underpants. She's a PERSON, now, not just some way to toss a blonde babe at Rimmer and then write smut.

But I'll try. I really will.

[laurenthemself]

You said at the end of the last chapter that there was only one chapter to go... and that was how long ago?

Darl, you're starting to rival ME for the WIP that's been the longest in progress. I'm only looking out for my title. Honest. Really.

[cheezdanish.livejournal.com]

Well, one chapter and a prologue. >_>

And that was... last August. *sigh*

[cheezdanish.livejournal.com]

...epilogue. Not prologue. Hi. *headdesk*

[laurenthemself]

*pets*

Yesterday I wrote two chapters of the Discworld/HP fic, and finished off the RD Mary Sue, and I still had time to watch two episodes of the Brittas Empire and one of Firefly.

I know you can do it. I have faith in you.

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

'Come on, let's clean up,' Lister said
Dave? Dave?? Are you all right? Speak to me Dave! ;))

It wasn't just the lack of Rimmer's usual broad Ionian accent that made it different, of course.
Ionian accent! :D Such a big fan of that. I've always wondered what it's like.

The ease with which they loved each other made him feel -- made him feel -- he didn't know.
Aaaww...

Masturbation scene - omgwheeenghaaahhhhawtdies!

Dervla gave him a suitably exasperated look
I know how she feels.

He didn't feel quite as pressed to have a meaningful conversation with soap.

Sex... Am unable to articulate word... Things about sex... Sex... Aaaah!

I like your universe. ;)

[laurenthemself]

BTL does strange things to characterisation ;-p

I like my universe too. That fic is part of the Omni-zone series, actually, in which many, many fandoms collide and the Red Dwarf Slash Society make guest appearances. It's a huge piece of self-indulgence, really, but since when was self-indulgence a bad thing?

Glad you liked it :-D

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

Self-indulgence? Hah, never! I mean, I'd never - for example - write a thinly disguised Rimmer/Lister/Mary Sue. No. *hides document on taskbar*

Ahem.

*whistles*

[laurenthemself]

*giggles*

Mary Sues are fun. Really, the only thing to remember is to not take them too seriously.

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Heh - I love the path. ;)

That was quite sweet. I actually think I liked the mutual masturbation scene the best.

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

I can't stop reading that scene! Help!!

[laurenthemself]

Muahahaaha. My evil plan is working!

[laurenthemself]

It's not bad for a Mary Sue that I wrote to indulge a couple of people, is it?

I like writing mutual masturbation scenes. Don't ask me why -- I don't know. People like reading them, I guess.