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Well, sort of. I see there's been some discussion lately regarding VIII and Rimmer in particular, which I er... missed. And well... There is this thing in BITR that always bothered me. In the trial scene the posse have to sign a consent form to be tried by mind probe using psychotropic drugs, but Rimmer never does. Can that be legal? Without Rimmer's trial they would have nothing on the rest either. Personally I believe they have been wrongfully imprisoned. They should be released immedately!
*glances up*
I will go quietly away now.
*glances up*
I will go quietly away now.
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Date: 2006-12-11 02:57 am (UTC)Although there has to be someone the Canaries respect enough to lead them in some semblance of order.
Why? They're convicted criminals, and mostly alpha males. Prison riots in the past have mainly been that, riots, without any one central leader being able to take control.
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Date: 2006-12-11 03:02 am (UTC)Also, about Todhunter... Peterson isn't shown but it's implied he still exists, perhaps Todhunter is still around too, just not visibly because they couldn't hire the actor back for whatever reason.
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Date: 2006-12-11 03:06 am (UTC)Yep, exactly - they put in a stand-in for Petersen, but not for Todhunter. That's why I figgered he just wasn't there.
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Date: 2006-12-11 03:18 am (UTC)I think if people started dissapearing off the main crew, there would be more then a few questions.
But then, that makes for an interesting plot bunny.
Also, the missions seem to be somewhat organized. In "Cassandra" we had Knots going around and telling the Canaries that there was flooding on the upper decks. Plus, the Canaries tend to organize themselves into fireteams of five or less. Just judging from the Time wand episode.
Although there is still KillCrazy's chaotic element there too.
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Date: 2006-12-11 03:27 am (UTC)Not if the Nanobots modified the computer's memory banks and the memories of the crew. Why not? If they can resurrect everyone and everything from dust, they can do that much.
I assumed Knott was a guard; he was wearing a different vest from the rest. There were well-armed guards in the Ackerman-addresses-the-Canaries scenes; you'd assume they were in the same boat as Ackerman. Hires who have a lot to lose.
IMO, they are organized by the powers that be (Ackerman and the guards) into groups of five or fewer, not self-organized - indeed, organized just so that they're kept from whatever little chance is left of organizing. Like chain gangs, or current prison work details.
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Date: 2006-12-11 03:30 am (UTC)You would be right with your assumption that Knott was a guard. He's listed as "Warden Knot" in the credits. (Which doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense really.)
However if the Canaries allow themselves to be ordered about and organized by Ackerman, could he not also take over Red Dwarf in some sort of coup?
As for Peterson having a stand in, I didn't think that was, literally, supposed to be Peterson, since Lister's other friends tell Lister that Peterson was too drunk to come.
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Date: 2006-12-11 03:35 am (UTC)They follow Ackerman because Ackerman has control over them. But his control depends on the guards and on the prisoner's physical incarceration (one assumes that he has the ability to, for instance, take away their food, or keep their lights on all night). If he gives them freedom, they would have no reason to follow him. Can you see the warden of a current prison raising an army of gas station robbers, rapists, and only slightly sane murderers?
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Date: 2006-12-11 03:42 am (UTC)Do you think they'd be transporting Rapists as well? I'd imagine that would present some logistical problems since they would most likely have to be isolated from the rest of the convict population.
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Date: 2006-12-11 04:09 am (UTC)They already segregate men and women in the living areas. I don't see why not.
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Date: 2006-12-11 04:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-11 05:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-11 05:41 am (UTC)I've heard from various sources that rapists are often isolated due to them being picked out by the rest of the population and assaulted or killed.
I'd have to try to trace my internet steps to find them though. Which may mean I can't.
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Date: 2006-12-11 06:08 am (UTC)no subject
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