Gestalt fic: Listerworld - various pairings (including slash)

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

Title: Listerworld.
Authors: roadstergal and kahvi
Pairings: Various, including slash
Rating: NC-17, for this part (4 of 4).
Disclaimer: We do not own them, and we make no money from this. More's the pity.
A/N: AU ending to Out Of Time. Spoilers up through that episode. Many thanks to musicisavictim for initiating this conversation.

Would you belive there's sex in this? And swearing? Well, I never.

Part the first.
Part the second.
Part the third.


"Don't laugh at your superior officer..." Rimmer growled, grabbing Lister's wrists.

Comments

[lady-draco.livejournal.com]

Yeeeeeashhhhhh! :)

There are so many bits in this that I want to quote but all up, love. Wonderfully written characters, yummeh hawt man sex ...

*hugs you both*

You guys rock ;)

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

Aw, thank you! We do enjoy writing these things. :)
Thank ye for feedback!

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Thankee, ma'am!

[eviltigerlily.livejournal.com]

It's an epic! A story to go down the ages!

Really not possible to pick out favourite bits in this. I like Kryten Being all wise elder on Rimmer, Rimmer being coralled by a bunch of people who wanted to share in his "glorious differense". The sex was even hotter then last time. The celebration was eerie. All the Cat bits were hilarious (if slightly, well, highly disturbing).

*glance up*
Yeah, that's pretty much the entire thing. Well done!

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

:D

Thank you so much! It is a good story, if I say so myself. And a nice world, when all comes to all. Not perfect, but then, what is?

Glad you enjoyed it!

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Yes, the bit about the cast (Kahvi's, of course) killed me.

Thank ye, ma'am!

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

Collected this up and read it all. You guys are really prolific, must be the team work :-)
Cannot quite figure out why they thought Rimmer had killed Lister, Kryten had pronounced Lister dead before both him and Cat bought it. Reasonable to assume that Rimmer would not bother taking a dead body along, so when they both and the escape pod was missing, the only logical idea is that they both were alive and had left together. Why would they think Rimmer killed him afterwards, just because Rimmer was on his own when they met? And they also know that they cannot destroy his hard light body with anything short of a nuclear blast, so this whole lets kill him seems rather ridiculous. Of course if they had centuries to brew on this they might develop a few crazy ideas, but according to later in the story, they had just come back to life and went looking. Sorry for going on about this, but it rather threw me out of the story for a while.
Except for that, a great AU story and much better alternative to season VII ::G::

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Thankee for the feedback!

There was a little tension there between exposition and suspense, unfortunately. Kryten had pronounced Lister dead, ja, and Cat, too, in OOT, so by Cat's not-deadness he would have known that there had been a paradox-reversal. And as you say, Rimmer wouldn't have just taken a dead body; Kryten assumed (with good reason) that Lister would not abandon them, and hence, an altercation. Jealousbitch!Kryten, as he was by then, therefore assumed Rimmer had incapacitated or killed Lister as he tried to keep Rimmer from doing another Rimmerworld and cutting out, and Cat had little love for Rimmer (100% successful trip!) to overcome. They didn't have centuries to mull, but they did have the trip to find the pod. Then, when they found the pod empty and Rimmer wandering the planet alone, suspicions confirmed. That was how I saw it develop, at least. Kat?
Hmm, now I have a thought of adding an interlude of Kryten scuttling back to Starbug to try to figure out why the psi-scan had lead them astray. Blasted stupid cheap damn stupid Martian power packs. *whacks it* "Oh, dear, it had said there were no human life-forms on the planet!"


And they also know that they cannot destroy his hard light body with anything short of a nuclear blast, so this whole lets kill him seems rather ridiculous.

SMAC (and LH) hard-light Rimmer could be 'killed' with a gunshot...

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

But that is the problem, if Lister was killed trying to stop Rimmer from escaping, his body would be on Starbug? Granted, they would wonder why Lister would abandon them, and that might lead to all sort of speculations. And if they find the pod they would find blod, but that would be in the stasis pod, indicating that Lister was put and later taken from the stasis pod (Rimmer would not leave blood) and would Rimmer bother with a dead body? I admit season 7 Kryten may be willing to think anything, but he is not yet that crazy in season 6, and even in season 7 there is usually a reason for his rather crazy actions (seeing Lister and Kochanski in a very romantic looking setting). Of course I really like to completely ignore later season 6 Kryten, he is just a completely different character.
At this time they have only seen Rimmer throw himself at an exploding grenade and not a scratch. Kryten knows he (with metal hands) can not penetrate the hard light (Legion). Likely they would assume that he could not be killed. They never get the to know about the dead hard-light Ace anyway. LH is last human? I have not read the books.

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

The assumption would have been that the altercation occurred in the pod, with Rimmer managing to launch it and getting rid of the body once it landed. They do tend to rot and go nasty, after all. I saw OOT as the episode where Kryten first started to go nutty over Lister (or started to show it) - "His favourite bowl... his little cup... the tin opener he uses to pick his ears clean with..."

Kryten never tried to lay hands (oh dear, the bunnies) on Rimmer to pull the bee; he just tried to clonk him unconscious. He probably took Legion at his word once he couldn't knock Rimmer out - but as Rimmer could be killed by the 'Bug's destruction and by a gun, Legion was likely exaggerating. It's tough to pull consistancy out of RD, as Rob and Doug didn't really seem to care. But I tiptoe through to some kind of continuity if I assume that the grenade that the Emohawk turned into was just a form, not a functional grenade - there must be limits to what a shapeshifter can do, and fragmenting over the vicinity might well be it. It didn't explode like a grenade, just made a light show, and Rimmer ended up holding the Emohawk, not bits of it. Killing isn't what the Emohawk does; I ended up thinking that the grenade was just a form meant to evoke suckable fear. Kryten is nutters, but intelligent, and I'd think he'd figure it out (perhaps together with Rimmer in his 24 hours as Ace).

There are a lot of assumptions you have to make for things that aren't made clear in RD, and those are just some of the ones that I make. Not any more valid than anyone else's, but it's the background I use to write. I write from the idea that Rimmer's hard-light drive is not all that more invulnerable than a human body, and Kryten couldn't knock him out in Legion simply because his brains were in his bee, not in his head. It's also not unreasonable to assume that Kryten would figure that out from the physical in Rimmerworld, if nothing else.

[nessaancalime.livejournal.com]

Helps a lot when you explain what you were thinking. One problem with the lack of consistency in the series is that people have to make their own assumptions to be able to write fics, it is sometimes confusing if you don't follow what they are assuming.
Anyway, it is a great story. Starting discussions is also what seems to get you guys going, so I am grabbing every opportunity ::g::

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Oh, ja, I'm so pedantic - I love to hash canon. ;)

Thanks again!

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

You are queen of important details, which is sorely needed to keep my blurry mind in check. :)

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

Well, the idea I had in mind, which we ended up not stating outright, was that Cat and Kryten found the pod, saw that it was empty, and that the last recorded readings were a flatline. Now, if it had been any other person than Rimmer that they'd been dealing with, they might not have assumed the worst, but it was, and they did. No, it isn't nessecarily a logical conclusion to jump to, but this takes place after Rimmer's cowardly behavior in Rimmerworld after all, and also at a point where tension and cabin-fever (Starbug fever?) is high. In a word, they think Rimmer killed Lister because, in a way, they want to. (I think Kryten had a line explaining some of this which got lost in the editing process, which we often refer to as "the dub". Or I might have dreamt that. I tend to write late at night. :p)

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

In a word, they think Rimmer killed Lister because, in a way, they want to.

Sure, just say it more concisely... :p

"We'll sort it out in the dub!"

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

Glad you enjoyed it!

Yes, there's is much ficcage happening. roadstergal inspires me; I've never been so prolific in my life. It doesn't come naturally to me, so I'm sort of stunned by it, really. :)

I commented on your - erm - comment further down. ;)

Thank ye for feeding back!

[thoraarwin.livejournal.com]

Wow. Just wow! I'm new to the fandom and haven't really found any *good* good fic to read yet. But this? This is really well-written, like reading a script! I could just imagine them saying all that, parts had me laughing out loud... Red Dwarf fic, I think, is incredibly hard to write (for obvious reasons*g*) but you two pulled it off absolutely. Great job! And now- I beg of you- more. please. soon?:-) Something? Anything?:-)

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

*blush* Thanks much!

Well, we have written some other gestalt fic, as well as some on our own. I have our gestalt fic and my own fic on my page (http://www.roadstergal.info/misc/rd.htm); also, kahvi has written a lot of excellent fic for her fanfic100 challenge (http://kahvi.livejournal.com/513913.html). I've recently taken up The Starbuggers (http://roadstergal.livejournal.com/44315.html) for fanfic100, but have just started.

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

And welcome to the fandom! It's fun. *waves*

[thoraarwin.livejournal.com]

Aw, thanks for the links!:-D There's not enough RD fic out there, I'm finding, lol! *goes off to read*

Btw, got any all-time-fave-RD-fic?

I like your icons...;-) *waves back*

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Thank ye!

Well, the first RD fic I read that just gave me a 'wow' was Orange (http://community.livejournal.com/reddwarfslash/44159.html), and it occupies a fond spot in my heart.

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

Aren't her icons the best? They are slowly taking over my icon space, leaving no other surviors. *loves them*

If I might mention my own favorite story, I think it would have to be Right (http://www.roadstergal.info/misc/right.htm), although Cold (http://www.roadstergal.info/misc/cold.htm) is special to me, as it was the fic that made me sit up and pay attention to Ms. roadstergal. There's just something about the central image in that one that breaks my heart.

[kahvi.livejournal.com]

Welcome! :D

I'm glad you enjoyed our little (OK, quite long) story. We love writing them. And don't worry, you don't have to beg us to write. That tends to happen all by itself! ;)

Thanks for feeding back!

[zekkass.livejournal.com]

I think this is my favorite part. I'll try to keep the review clean, though. ;)

before that it was insisting that you were a Peruvian tree-frog

Hah! Rimmer the tree-frog...Frogporn?

"Modern mechanicals were made to improve with age. Some feature nanobot repair-drones, some specific structural enhancements that improve with time - the list goes on!" Kryten felt a slight stab of worry at the fact that he hadn't seen his own nanobots for quite a while. The little rascals could be so unpredictable. It was just like that time they'd re-constructed his groinal attachment in most absurd fashion. Thankfully, that had been back on the Nova Five, or else Mister Rimmer would never have let him hear the end of it.

Absolutely fascinating idea! Astounding.

"Er, look, you don't want to have sex with me. Really. I... snore."

Rimmer, that isn't a good excuse. Nice try. Flip to soft-light and run, 'k?

"How am I supposed to know? Love just is, Rimmer."

Lister's a romantic, isn't he? :)

With all of the pranks they had pulled on Red Dwarf, why had he never thought of just using the fact that he was taller than the smegger? Oh, Lister was going to go spare.

This entire scene left me in giggles at the sweetness of it all. (And what it led to - Mm.)

"I like lilac," Lister muttered. He had run out of even semi-plausible excuses.

Unfortunately, Klingons hate lilac. It's a good thing you don't have any. ;)

For in his wisdom, he had brought the friend who never tired, who had spread his pleasure through the people, and shared with all those who were willing, shunning only men - but even they accepted this, when they saw his true purpose. Long after they had left - Watcher, Sleeper, Guardian, Pleasure Seeker - new children were born with a glorious difference never seen before by man, woman or child.

Cat increased the gene-pool...Lister/Cat people. Cool.

I like the bittersweet ending. Wonderful.

[roadstergal.livejournal.com]

Frogporn

It's the tongue, you know.

Actually, as Kryten lost his nanobots at the end of V, I'm wondering if he was going slowly batty all through VI, and Kochanski's arrival just pushed him over the edge. :p

Klingons in the RD universe? The mind reels. I think I'd rather bring in some Pierson's Puppeteers, though. Rimmer could talk with them about the finer points of utilitarian cowardice...

Yep, that ending is pure Kahvi.

Thanks for the feedback!

[zekkass.livejournal.com]

Well, Kryten did have 200 years alone, after he lost his nanobots. He starts going batty, then Lister came back and Kryten was affected by the droid-rage. (Unless you want to ignore the 'droid rage' theory you guys put out.) The Kochanski came in, and Kryten's jealousy circuits must have overloaded. And so on.

I'm a die-hard trekkie. ;) Bring 'em both in. Ace can't be the only one with a DJ-capable ship in the universe, you know.

[ekisa-himani.livejournal.com]

I feel really tired just reading it. Must be the length of the chapters ;) Great characterisation yet again, ladies.

In the beginning, I wasn't over fond of Ilse, simply because, you know, she was new on the scene and stuff. Whereas now I'm quite fond of her. It'd be interesting if she made a return sometime.

"Your joining is scared," she said, loudly and sternly. "You cannot leave us now."

Um, shouldn't that be "sacred"? :D