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Aug. 17th, 2006 06:16 pmHey, smegheads!
I've got a question regarding Lister's relationship with Kochanski. In the older seasons, Lister & Rimmer often go back and forth about her and it seems like Kochanski had no interest in Lister whatsoever.
But in the episode where the 'nu-Kochanski' is introduced, it's said that they were going out. Which is it? Is there any definitive answer, or were the writers just being forgetful/careless?
Another thing that I can't verify right now, but have a question on anyway. If my memory serves me correctly, in the episode Duct Soup, Kochanski says that her Dave was gay. Is this true, or am I just imaging things?
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Date: 2006-08-17 11:18 pm (UTC)I just can't seem to write anything more than a paragraph lately.
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Date: 2006-08-17 11:24 pm (UTC)Aww... *pets it* Will do!
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Date: 2006-08-18 07:18 am (UTC)Of course slashers knows that he could not resist the idea of grabbing the inside of Rimmers thighs ::g::
I still wonder why that was done like that in the show - don't think I heard any explanations for it.
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Date: 2006-08-18 07:46 am (UTC)If I want to comfort and reassure someone platonically, I don't leap right to putting my hand on his or her inner thigh. And Rimmer doesn't exactly leap back in disgust. More of a bemused, "Hey, he likes me enough to feel me up?" expression.
(I also just love the juxtaposition of their hands in that cap.)
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Date: 2006-08-18 07:58 am (UTC)It's like "he is feeling up me, not that git Ace".
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Date: 2006-08-18 08:20 am (UTC)I always thought they were a couple, but when I started rewatching on DVD I really thought it was terribly slashy, and I didn't remember the kiss in VII (like Chris, I was trying to forget series VII ::g::). But to me it was always the way the reacted to each other, the obvious caring in the moments when things were too important for bickering, like when Rimmers father "died" or Lister is taken ill.
The scene on the psi-moon and the dream scene made me feel sad more than elated, because of what followed...
But fanfic and making my own editing of things makes it much more easy to enjoy them now.
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Date: 2006-08-18 05:17 pm (UTC)As said in your documentary, old married couple. :) Bicker about all things, except when the other person is obviously in deep smeg. I do love that scene in C&P when Lister falls ill, and then in Me Sqaured when Rimmer bares his soul. It's like the first tentative outreaches, and then there's some pulling back later, as there is when you think you've let out too much - but always that reaching out again, in one way or another, until (damn it to hell) the very end of SMAC (but the innuendo that laces that ep up until Rimmer blasts off!).
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Date: 2006-08-18 06:08 pm (UTC)The thing is, Lister coming back to get Rimmer is out of some boyscout "don't leave anyone behind" idea, not because he care at all for Rimmer. Or at least that must be how it looks like for Rimmer. And Rimmer don't understand this boyscout thing, but he does understand doing things for someone you love - the only really noble thing he did so far was to the only person he had ever encountered who cared about him as a person (Holoship). So I think they coming for him in Terrorform ended up meaning nothing to him after their cruel rejection of him.
Of course WE know Lister actually cares, but he has a few lessons to learn, that is clear.
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Date: 2006-08-18 07:19 pm (UTC)Lister does always go back for Rimmer. Backwards, Terrorform, Rimmerworld - when Cat would happily leave him behind. But our neurotic pile of smeg needs explicit words as well as actions.
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Date: 2006-08-18 07:43 pm (UTC)I keep thinking of an idea of what might happen that would make them meet again and Lister having to confront what he did. But unfortunately I am a vidder, not a writer ::sigh::
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Date: 2006-08-18 07:56 pm (UTC)I think he's kinder to ressurected!Rimmer soley for that reason - somehow, trying to make up for what he did to holoRimmer.
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Date: 2006-08-18 08:09 pm (UTC)Of course he kept dreaming. And he was nice to the resurrected Rimmer because he missed HoloRimmer, whether he realised it or not, and couldn't help being nice. Also of course knowing so much more about Rimmer than what he did back when.
But I don't think he ever actually was confronted with what he did, because he had nobody to discuss it with, and Lister was never a person to dwell on uncomfortable things that he couldn't change.
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Date: 2006-08-18 08:12 pm (UTC)Lister doesn't like dwelling on things he can't change, but it was said a few times that he likes to think of himself as a good and moral person, and I can't believe it wouldn't nag at him - especially after meeting resurrected!Rimmer. Maybe the niceness is partially a conscious decision - to try to do something right to make up for what he did before. Even the non-slashers I talk to think there was something very wrong with Lister kicking Rimmer out like that. :p
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